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MCirba

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 07:19:31 PM »
I've heard good things about the amount of Ross left at Portland CC (ME), but haven't personally had the opportunity to see for myself yet.   
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Hal Hicks

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 08:00:28 PM »
I've heard good things about the amount of Ross left at Portland CC (ME), but haven't personally had the opportunity to see for myself yet.


Somebody stated it earlier, it seems the true Donald Ross courses left seem to be the ones that did not have much money spent on them over the years.  Seems to be the common denominator!  Hope they remain that way with only minor adjustments for agronomic reasons!

Hal Hicks

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 08:02:13 PM »
Neither  George Wright in Boston or Triggs in Providence have much money beyond basic maintenance. I am not aware of any significant architectural changes at either of these, but I certainly could be wrong. They both have had significant tree growth, but besides that are the courses essentially as they were designed?


Kudos to them for not making major changes!  Love true Donald Ross courses!

Joe Hancock

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 08:48:12 PM »
The former Ionia CC (MI), now known as Shadow Ridge, has 9 holes of untouched Ross. It never gets attention because a) it’s 9 holes and b) it’s in Ionia.
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Kyle Harris

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 09:16:13 PM »
Miami Valley in Dayton, OH.


And how much benign neglect is preservation v. erosion?


Must an architect be involved to lose a Ross?
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JNC Lyon

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 09:33:06 PM »
Neither  George Wright in Boston or Triggs in Providence have much money beyond basic maintenance. I am not aware of any significant architectural changes at either of these, but I certainly could be wrong. They both have had significant tree growth, but besides that are the courses essentially as they were designed?


Would to do research on it, but from playing it in 2023, it didn’t seem like there were big changes from the original. Hell of a true municipal golf course too.
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JNC Lyon

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 09:38:34 PM »
Must an architect be involved to lose a Ross?


It definitely makes it easier. Setting the abominable renovations of the 50s to the 70s aside (because they have largely been reversed to some degree), the sneaky “lost Ross” is often a renovation that masquerades as a restoration but just uses the same rolled down faces as every other restoration. Often these bunkers don’t match what the course originally looked like. It’s like designers just stared at that picture of Salem Country Club for an hour and decided “that’s what a Ross looks like!” Some did, but definitely not all.
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mike_beene

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 09:51:04 PM »
It is split into half of the east and west, but how much has the Ross 18 at the Broadmoor really changed? I have been there some, but really don’t know the history.

Sean_A

Re: Donald Ross
« Reply #33 on: Today at 01:35:33 AM »
I don’t believe Grosse Ile G&CC has changed much. The hole numbering is different, a few greens altered and some bunker issues. But much more than the essence of an original Ross exists. I say this every time I mention Grosse Ile…still one of the finest sets of greens I have played.

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