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Michael Morandi

Golf tour merger coming soon
« on: February 16, 2025, 05:43:21 PM »
In case you missed it, Tiger just said on the Genesis broadcast that a merger with Liv is coming soon, that tour golf has been on the wrong trajectory for some time and that the public wants to see the best players compete together. He said healing is occurring. He missed the meeting with Trump, Monahan and Scott but thought they did a good job. I guess this means that the DOJ will look the other way on antitrust matters.

Chris Hughes

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2025, 01:28:39 AM »
In case you missed it, Tiger just said on the Genesis broadcast that a merger with Liv is coming soon, that tour golf has been on the wrong trajectory for some time and that the public wants to see the best players compete together. He said healing is occurring. He missed the meeting with Trump, Monahan and Scott but thought they did a good job. I guess this means that the DOJ will look the other way on antitrust matters.


I didn't miss it.

That said, what are your personal thoughts on what Tiger said?  Do you have an opinion?
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

Steve Lapper

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2025, 05:07:58 AM »
In case you missed it, Tiger just said on the Genesis broadcast that a merger with Liv is coming soon, that tour golf has been on the wrong trajectory for some time and that the public wants to see the best players compete together. He said healing is occurring. He missed the meeting with Trump, Monahan and Scott but thought they did a good job. I guess this means that the DOJ will look the other way on antitrust matters.


It will be coming soon, if for no other reason than the size of the egos in play and their desire to proclaim a "W," along with the $$$ on BOTH sides doing the talking. I doubt any win will be designed for, nor considerably favorable to the fans, as they are consistently being measured as the "suckers" by both the C-suite'rs as well as most of the touring professionals.

No doubt the table setting had to be reset and the sharp objects removed from the toddlers reach, along with making the DoJ  compliant. Then again, the latter apparently has no problem reflecting such posture anywhere it suits a political purpose, or the wishes of higher powers.

The only thing left for us roiled masses to do is start a juicy rumor is the possibility probability of Jay Monahan next running for Mayor of New York City!......with prejudice of course. ;)


Getting long popcorn futures.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2025, 06:39:06 AM by Steve Lapper »
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V. Kmetz

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2025, 07:51:01 AM »

It will be coming soon, if for no other reason than the size of the egos in play and their desire to proclaim a "W," along with the $$$ on BOTH sides doing the talking. I doubt any win will be designed for, nor considerably favorable, for the fans, as they are consistently being measured as the "suckers" by both the C-suite'rs as well as most of the touring professionals.
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The only thing left for us roiled masses to do is start a juicy rumor is the possibility probability of Jay Monahan next running for Mayor of New York City!......with prejudice of course. ;)



I wonder back and ask: Is the Sport Washing machine still on?...which cycle...or are the clothes done yet?  Being put in the dryer, now? Soon to be folded and returned to the drawer? That's some expensive laundress...


What a sick hedgefund joke; like busting out Craftsman and Kenmore before busting out Sears itself.


Good for everybody that think$ its good... it's been like the LIV guys don't even exist; I can't watch 10 minutes of their quarterly get togethers
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Chris Hughes

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2025, 09:04:22 AM »
NBA is next...
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

Rob Marshall

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2025, 10:05:02 AM »
I heard the recent LIV event had 12,000 viewers. Why settle? The majors can invite whoever they want. Eventually the Saudi's will realize they are just wasting money. I also wonder why the DOJ would even be involved. The PGA tour never had competition.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Jim_Coleman

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2025, 10:15:24 AM »
   I give Tiger’s comments little credibility. The powers that be have been saying it since that CNBC debacle. I’ll believe it when it’s done.

Bruce Katona

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2025, 10:37:14 AM »
LIV & The Tour have the attention of POTUS. Correct or incorrect the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC is a "Ready, Fire, Aim guy", who looks to accomplish tasks on his radar screen and move along to his next agenda item. 


Personally, if this is what it takes to get the deal done and golf back on track, so be it.  There will be a Quid pro quo for this deal, like hosting a major at a Trump property, but with all the money involved, noses, will be held, hands shaken and a deal done.


Personally, I can't wait for POTUS to focus on The NYC MTA & Congestion Pricing. I do hope POTUS sends in DOGE to audit the MTA's books.  A DOGE audit of the MTA may make US military spending appear to be cost/budget consious in comparison. 
"If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come through the music
Would you hold it near as it were your own....."
Robert Hunter, Jerome Garcia

Sam Morrow

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2025, 10:37:48 AM »
I love the game of golf, I'm looking forward to everyone being back together and seeing all the best competing against each other. If you're a golf fan I'm not sure why you'd want anything else.

Tommy Williamsen

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2025, 10:53:55 AM »
MLB lost me in '94, and pro golf is losing me now. I will watch the Majors, but probably nothing else.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

PThomas

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2025, 11:10:05 AM »
MLB lost me in '94, and pro golf is losing me now. I will watch the Majors, but probably nothing else.


yep


Rob made good points too


Rich guys arguing about how to get richer....F*&@ them
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MCirba

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2025, 11:35:08 AM »
Rich oligarchs killing the Pro Golf Golden Goose after killing Khashoggi.


Yawn.   This is the most insignificant of the upcoming tragedies and catastrophes.
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Jonathan Mallard

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2025, 11:40:24 AM »
Alan Shipnuck had a good point recently... it certainly made sense to me.


His theory was that the PGA side was slow walking the deal knowing that Bryson and Brooks' contracts were up for renewal. Ergo the LIV side was going to get squeezed between paying two of its bigger stars 9 figures or seeing them potentially walk and lose value for their league, or settling in on a deal.

Ronald Montesano

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2025, 12:26:47 PM »
I love how this pertains to golf course architecture.
Coming in 2025
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~~Sag Harbor
~~~Chenango Valley
~~~~Sleepy Hollow
~~~~~Montauk Downs
~~~~~~Sunken Meadow
~~~~~~~Some other, posh joints ;)

David Cronan

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2025, 01:07:46 PM »
I can't put into words how much I've missed Patrick Reed and Pat Perez.

Craig Sweet

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2025, 01:50:44 PM »
Yawn...who cares?  We have catered to murderous thugs for decades and even our involvement in some of these murders hasn't changed anyone's mind about doing business with them/us...human for the most part are immoral creatures.

Edward Glidewell

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2025, 03:13:38 PM »
LIV & The Tour have the attention of POTUS. Correct or incorrect the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC is a "Ready, Fire, Aim guy", who looks to accomplish tasks on his radar screen and move along to his next agenda item. 


Personally, if this is what it takes to get the deal done and golf back on track, so be it.  There will be a Quid pro quo for this deal, like hosting a major at a Trump property, but with all the money involved, noses, will be held, hands shaken and a deal done.


Personally, I can't wait for POTUS to focus on The NYC MTA & Congestion Pricing. I do hope POTUS sends in DOGE to audit the MTA's books.  A DOGE audit of the MTA may make US military spending appear to be cost/budget consious in comparison.


I don't think there's much leverage for a major hosted at a Trump property. The USGA and PGA of America aren't part of this and can have the LIV guys at their events if they want them regardless of the PGA Tour.

Tom_Doak

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2025, 04:40:49 PM »

I don't think there's much leverage for a major hosted at a Trump property. The USGA and PGA of America aren't part of this and can have the LIV guys at their events if they want them regardless of the PGA Tour.


More to the point, the PGA TOUR doesn't have much leverage on either organization with regard to selecting their venues.  The TOUR used to have more ability to twist arms at the PGA, but the PGA's support of the TOUR's position on the golf ball is important to them, so they aren't likely to put them in a headlock right now about having a PGA Championship in Bedminster.

Chris Hughes

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2025, 04:53:19 PM »
I suspect Doral will return to the PGA Tour schedule, as it should.
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

Michael Morandi

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2025, 08:22:37 PM »
I can’t believe that Monahan still has his job. Friends who know and like him don’t argue with the characterization that he’s just a “suit.” The primary job of any CEO is to identify and repel external threats. He failed to do so and then responded by upping the purses to keep the elite players. Is he like Roger Goodell of the NFL: doing the bidding for the elite players just as Roger does it for the owners?

Chris Hughes

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2025, 03:58:01 AM »
I can’t believe that Monahan still has his job.

Me either.  Long time tour players I know feel similarly. 

Friends who know and like him don’t argue with the characterization that he’s just a “suit.”

His resume and track record really aren't all that.  Tyler Dennis is FAR more (pick your adjective:  qualified, capable, competent, intelligent, etc...) and should be the Commissioner over absentee Jay. 

The primary job of any CEO is to identify and repel external threats.

Jay is truly elite as a trench warfare operative.  As you noted, he is a complete screwball and despite going MIA (rehab?) for an extended period of time was able to keep his job, and completely marginalize Jimmy Dunne -- stunning, frankly.

He failed to do so and then responded by upping the purses to keep the elite players.

Did he "keep the elite players"...??  He lost more than a dozen Major Champions with close to 30 major titles between them.   

Is he like Roger Goodell of the NFL: doing the bidding for the elite players just as Roger does it for the owners?

The two situations are in no way analogous.


"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

Steve Lapper

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2025, 06:50:41 AM »
I can’t believe that Monahan still has his job. Friends who know and like him don’t argue with the characterization that he’s just a “suit.” The primary job of any CEO is to identify and repel external threats. He failed to do so and then responded by upping the purses to keep the elite players. Is he like Roger Goodell of the NFL: doing the bidding for the elite players just as Roger does it for the owners?


 The misplaced longevity of Jay Monahan will eventually be an inevitable HBS or Wharton case study.


 His abject failure to protect what was effectively a monopoly, ignore the wishes of the majority of his player assets, alienate so many corporate sponsors (and the game’s senior financial haymaker), and diminish the favorability of his primary product….all while pocketing enormous sums of money may inspire some, but ultimately define a significant business failure. It’s only a matter of time.


 Pro golf, IMO, brought it upon itself and picked a commissioner who will only accelerate things.
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

Erik J. Barzeski

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2025, 08:43:51 AM »
The primary job of any CEO is to identify and repel external threats.
No it's not.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Rob Marshall

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2025, 09:30:02 AM »
I can’t believe that Monahan still has his job. Friends who know and like him don’t argue with the characterization that he’s just a “suit.” The primary job of any CEO is to identify and repel external threats. He failed to do so and then responded by upping the purses to keep the elite players. Is he like Roger Goodell of the NFL: doing the bidding for the elite players just as Roger does it for the owners?


How was he supposed to expel an external threat that had unlimited funds? That made players offers they personal couldn't turn down. How do you stop that? Once the most prolific choker in major championship history found his backer to try and destroy the PGA tour I don't see how anyone could have stopped it. Just my opinion.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Michael Morandi

Re: Golf tour merger coming soon
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2025, 10:34:05 AM »
The primary job of any CEO is to identify and repel external threats.
No it's not.


What is more important?

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