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David_Tepper

  • Total Karma: 4
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2025, 10:37:37 PM »
Chris H. -


Wait, here is a course you have never played or even seen before, in a region of Scotland you have never visited before, yet you seem to think you have a better grasp on what is happening at Brora than some of the club members who participate on this site and others who have played the course many times.


I know one of the Brora greenkeepers. Based on what I have heard from him, you are very much mistaken.


DT

Chris Hughes

  • Total Karma: -106
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2025, 10:39:42 PM »
Chris,


Can you tell me your position on this subject? Or are you picking nits for your amusement?


Ben, yes, I can.


Let me know when you are finished editing your post and I will do so...


"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

Chris Hughes

  • Total Karma: -106
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2025, 10:41:48 PM »
Chris H. -


Wait, here is a course you have never played or even seen before, in a region of Scotland you have never visited before, yet you seem to think you have a better grasp on what is happening at Brora than some of the club members who participate on this site and others who have played the course many times.


I know one of the Brora greenkeepers. Based on what I have heard from him, you are very much mistaken.


DT




Oh yeah? 


What's he telling you that opposes what you think that I think?
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

David_Tepper

  • Total Karma: 4
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2025, 10:45:32 PM »
If you think the greenkeepers are the ones driving the club's decision to remove the livestock from the course, you are mistaken.

Ben Sims

  • Total Karma: 11
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2025, 10:46:34 PM »
Chris,


Can you tell me your position on this subject? Or are you picking nits for your amusement?


Ben, yes, I can.


Let me know when you are finished editing your post and I will do so...


Thanks for your response Chris.

Chris Hughes

  • Total Karma: -106
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2025, 10:49:35 PM »
If you think the greenkeepers are the ones driving the club's decision to remove the livestock from the course, you are mistaken.


"...greenskeepers..."


Plural?


Who's in charge?
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

David_Tepper

  • Total Karma: 4
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2025, 11:31:41 PM »
Chris U. -


You're not. That's for sure.


DT

Chris Hughes

  • Total Karma: -106
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2025, 11:37:27 PM »
Chris U. -


You're not. That's for sure.


DT


The Brora greenskeeper you "know"...


...who did he say made the decision to get rid of the majestic Highland cows (and the sheep)...??




[Ben, haven't forgotten, will respond.  FTR, we appreciate your service.]
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

Chris Hughes

  • Total Karma: -106
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2025, 07:02:26 PM »
Chris,


Can you tell me your position on this subject? Or are you picking nits for your amusement?


Ben, yes, I can.


Let me know when you are finished editing your post and I will do so...


Thanks for your response Chris.


Ben, I think it's pretty obvious where I stand, but will try to summarize.

Special golf clubs arrive in that place because over a long period of time traditions, culture, and history meld together and solidify to define the club.

A very small subset of the special ones have something truly unique that defines and sets them apart -- Brora has (had) that.

Brora GC almost went under b/c of flawed covid restrictions but due to the generosity of nice folks from all around the world who were enamored with the club just the way it was, BGC survived...

...and now someone wants to blow $191,000 (large % of ann. rev's) of OPM to wriggle out of their obligation to the crofters while simultaneously denuding the club of historical tradition that dates back a century plus?

It's a lousy use of funds and a very very bad bet IMO -- Brora GC was perfect and unique as is --  don't mess with it.

Cheers...
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 01:00:17 AM by Chris Hughes »
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the Golf Course that attracts and retains members?"

Mark Pearce

  • Total Karma: 1
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #59 on: Yesterday at 03:55:27 AM »
flawed covid restrictions
You know, don't you, that you'd get fewer down votes on the Karma thing if you could, just every so often, avoid the urge to introduce entirely unnecessary political commentary on a Golf Course Architecture website?
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Adam Lawrence

  • Total Karma: 11
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #60 on: Yesterday at 06:56:39 AM »


Brora GC was perfect and unique as is --  don't mess with it.



A very big assertion for someone who has never been there. If you are not a moron, you are doing a damned good impression of one, and I suggest that you pipe down now.
Adam Lawrence

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BHoover

  • Total Karma: -3
Re: 2025 Visitor Green Fees GB & Ireland
« Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 01:09:27 PM »
When I played Brora for the first (and god willing, not the last) time in August 2024, the member in our group mentioned the goal of the membership to remove the livestock from the course. Not once did I think it was in my place to argue with him or offer up my opinion. If I was a member of Brora, I probably would feel the same way about the livestock. As a visitor, sure, the cattle and sheep were a nice touch. But in no way, shape, or form would the removal of livestock affect my desire to return to Brora.