Gil Hanse at Seminole?

[goldj]

i’m hearing talk that Gil Hanse and his team are going to be working at Seminole. Given that Coore and Crenshaw worked there recently, this surprised me.


Anyone here know anything about this?

[Pierre_C]

Yes, I believe the work is going to take just over 2 years and begin after this season.

[Cal Seifert]

I saw reports from the Society of Golf Historian twitter/instagram page that they want to raise parts of the course 4’. Is that true?

[Ian Andrew]

He's been working with the club for at least a year, if not longer.

[Steve Lapper]

In addition to whatever else Gil might be doing for the club, they are undertaking the ambitious (and monumental) task of raising the  entire course a considerable amount to help combat potential erosion and assist its drainage after large storms.


I imagine (but don’t know for sure) that Gil will be laser-mapping the greens.

[Jeff_Brauer]

I played it with Pete Dye many years ago.  He was amazed that the course drained at all, being almost flat and so close to the water table.  Apparently, the sandy soil has clogged up over time and the course no longer drains as well as it once did.  Or, it never did and members standards are rising to never get wet shoes.

[Tom_Doak]

I played it with Pete Dye many years ago.  He was amazed that the course drained at all, being almost flat and so close to the water table.  Apparently, the sandy soil has clogged up over time and the course no longer drains as well as it once did.  Or, it never did and members standards are rising to never get wet shoes.

Republicans though they may be, the powers that be at Seminole are raising the course in part to guard against sea level rise.

[Rob Marshall]

I played it with Pete Dye many years ago.  He was amazed that the course drained at all, being almost flat and so close to the water table.  Apparently, the sandy soil has clogged up over time and the course no longer drains as well as it once did.  Or, it never did and members standards are rising to never get wet shoes.

Republicans though they may be, the powers that be at Seminole are raising the course in part to guard against sea level rise.

And then what? Take a boat to it........

[David_Tepper]

By taking a boat from their sinking condos.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/23/climate/florida-condos-hotels-sinking/index.html

[MCirba]

Republicans though they may be, the powers that be at Seminole are raising the course in part to guard against sea level rise.

The whole eastern part of the state may shortly be underwater but as long as they can pull their yachts up and play, life is apparently good.

[Pierre_C]

The majority of the state will have water issues in the near and long term. Besides sea level rise is fresh water. Salt water intrusion into Lake Okeechobee is threatening the regions fresh water supply. Golf courses will eventually focus on source(s) for their water supply.





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Republicans though they may be, the powers that be at Seminole are raising the course in part to guard against sea level rise.

The whole eastern part of the state may shortly be underwater but as long as they can pull their yachts up and play, life is apparently good.

[Mike Worth]

I played it with Pete Dye many years ago.  He was amazed that the course drained at all, being almost flat and so close to the water table.  Apparently, the sandy soil has clogged up over time and the course no longer drains as well as it once did.  Or, it never did and members standards are rising to never get wet shoes.

Republicans though they may be, the powers that be at Seminole are raising the course in part to guard against sea level rise.

An anecdote to this point - I’ve mentioned I spend half the year in Palm Beach Gardens. Seminole is about 2 miles from my home as the crow flies.  I have a jet ski, which I occasionally take on the ocean – – last year was the first time in a few years I had the ski in the ocean in front of Seminole - I was quite shocked to see the amount of beach erosion.


This is just a guess, but it must be tied to the same beach erosion I noticed 2 years ago when I arrived at my home here in Florida – – I often go to Juno Beach (1 mile from Seminole) and there were significant beach erosion there as well. I asked the lifeguards because I couldn’t recall a hurricane or other precipitating event, and I was told there was no event. It just happened for no reason.

[Jeff Schley]

In a hundred years could we be seeing "Seminole Golf Club" being the 25th tribute course at Sand Valley in Wisconsin? Maybe that will be the canvas all architects will go to recreate all the coastal courses lost to nature. When entire cities themselves are in jeopardy, seems a luxury to worry about a golf course.

[John Emerson]

In a hundred years could we be seeing "Seminole Golf Club" being the 25th tribute course at Sand Valley in Wisconsin? Maybe that will be the canvas all architects will go to recreate all the coastal courses lost to nature. When entire cities themselves are in jeopardy, seems a luxury to worry about a golf course.

Agreed. Seminole seeing it's second centennial in 2129 is a bet I wouldn't make.

[Tom_Doak]

When entire cities themselves are in jeopardy, seems a luxury to worry about a golf course.

Their members are used to luxury, and can apparently afford this mission.  I will refrain from judgment of whether that's a good thing, here in public.


Seminole will not be the first great course lost to coastal erosion.  [Indeed, parts of Formby were abandoned years ago, and Montrose is in trouble.]  The canary in the coal mine is Brancaster . . . and they also are starting to contemplate whether to raise the entire course.  But they don't have the same kind of $$$$$$ that Seminole does.

[V_Halyard]

In a hundred years could we be seeing "Seminole Golf Club" being the 25th tribute course at Sand Valley in Wisconsin? Maybe that will be the canvas all architects will go to recreate all the coastal courses lost to nature. When entire cities themselves are in jeopardy, seems a luxury to worry about a golf course.

J.S.  lol 
“25th”
Not a bad idea. The Smithsonian of endangered classic sand based golf courses.
A seed vault of sorts. 

[Sean_A]

When entire cities themselves are in jeopardy, seems a luxury to worry about a golf course.

Their members are used to luxury, and can apparently afford this mission.  I will refrain from judgment of whether that's a good thing, here in public.


Seminole will not be the first great course lost to coastal erosion.  [Indeed, parts of Formby were abandoned years ago, and Montrose is in trouble.]  The canary in the coal mine is Brancaster . . . and they also are starting to contemplate whether to raise the entire course.  But they don't have the same kind of $$$$$$ that Seminole does.

North Berwick is under serious threat as well. Perfection green is on a tightrope. Pit green isn’t that far behind. The entire dune along 11 is disappearing fast.

Ciao