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Adam Lawrence

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2025, 11:29:32 AM »
[quote author=Ally Mcintosh link=topic=73482.msg1763257#msg1763257 date=1736066480
Side question here as it got me thinking: Does Barnbougle have a passing resemblance to St Patrick’s? Always was very high up on the list of Tom’s courses I wanted to see because it appeared to be the closest to a GB&I links. But perhaps that’s exactly why I don’t need to see it?
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I’m a big fan of both Barnbougle and St Patrick’s.
Both are wonderful while Tassie and Donegal are delightful to visit.
My recollection though is that they have very different grass types.
Others could likely elaborate further on the grass type aspect.
Atb



I don’t think so. I believe they’re both fescue
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Sean Walsh

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2025, 05:33:24 PM »


Surprised how many people seem to think the Tasmania option is a jump too far (if I do do this, I will take Tom’s advice and schedule at the beginning or end of the trip. I likely won’t get the small charter plane though - want to see 7MB with Barnbougle. So particularly interested in James’s “bad things happen” comment, referring to the drive from Launceston).


Side question here as it got me thinking: Does Barnbougle have a passing resemblance to St Patrick’s? Always was very high up on the list of Tom’s courses I wanted to see because it appeared to be the closest to a GB&I links. But perhaps that’s exactly why I don’t need to see it?


Who knows? I will make something happen. And it will be based primarily or solely around the Melbourne / Mornington Peninsula area. Thanks for all the advice, both on here and by IM.


As a general rule we like to avoid driving through Roo or Wombat country between dusk and a few hours after dawn. I Drive through an area that has both and am ever vigilant at those times. Driving a hire car would multiply my anxiety considerably.


I’ve only seen the St Patrick’s site from over the fence at Rosapenna before it was reinvigorated. I wouldn’t liken either Barnbougle course to its terrain. My best comparison is a little bit The Island GC (but wider) with the nature of surrounding dunes, a little bit Lahinch in the general movement of Dunes especially.


It’s a question of whether the flight interlude is worth the hassle on such a short trip, especially when you have St Andrew’s Beach a short drive away. I love both courses at Barnbougle but might stick with getting the very most I could out of Melbourne in such a short stay.


Tasmania with the inclusion of 7MB has become worthy of a full week to itself. A rejig of Royal Hobart and whatever happens at Arms End & 5mb will cement Hobart as a great destination

Mike_Clayton

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2025, 05:54:24 PM »


Surprised how many people seem to think the Tasmania option is a jump too far (if I do do this, I will take Tom’s advice and schedule at the beginning or end of the trip. I likely won’t get the small charter plane though - want to see 7MB with Barnbougle. So particularly interested in James’s “bad things happen” comment, referring to the drive from Launceston).


Side question here as it got me thinking: Does Barnbougle have a passing resemblance to St Patrick’s? Always was very high up on the list of Tom’s courses I wanted to see because it appeared to be the closest to a GB&I links. But perhaps that’s exactly why I don’t need to see it?


Who knows? I will make something happen. And it will be based primarily or solely around the Melbourne / Mornington Peninsula area. Thanks for all the advice, both on here and by IM.


As a general rule we like to avoid driving through Roo or Wombat country between dusk and a few hours after dawn. I Drive through an area that has both and am ever vigilant at those times. Driving a hire car would multiply my anxiety considerably.


I’ve only seen the St Patrick’s site from over the fence at Rosapenna before it was reinvigorated. I wouldn’t liken either Barnbougle course to its terrain. My best comparison is a little bit The Island GC (but wider) with the nature of surrounding dunes, a little bit Lahinch in the general movement of Dunes especially.


It’s a question of whether the flight interlude is worth the hassle on such a short trip, especially when you have St Andrew’s Beach a short drive away. I love both courses at Barnbougle but might stick with getting the very most I could out of Melbourne in such a short stay.


Tasmania with the inclusion of 7MB has become worthy of a full week to itself. A rejig of Royal Hobart and whatever happens at Arms End & 5mb will cement Hobart as a great destination


The most productive rejig of Royal Hobart and Tasmania GC would be to sell up, merge and move to the site of the third course at Seven Mile Beach.

Sean Walsh

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2025, 06:10:35 PM »
I’ve only played Royal Hobart once about 20 years ago it was pleasant on a flat but very Sandy site. I would have thought they can get more out of it but am also sure there’s a limit to how good it could be - Could it get to a Woodlands level at the current site?


Tasmania is a course with a few wonderful holes but also constraints of a site with too much severe elevation change.


The option you present is intriguing. Is there any chance of it being in play?


Sorry to hijack your thread Ally.

Mike_Clayton

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2025, 06:45:09 PM »
Sean,


There is no chance RH could get anywhere near Woodlands (which Ally should definitely see when he's in Melbourne) and Tasmania has some spectacular views but it's flawed and destined to be an 80-100 Australian course.


It's in play if both clubs would commit to it - and assuming they can realise enough money to pay for the relocation.
One RH member I spoke told me the membership thought moving was a risk. I told him the real risk was not moving.




Tom_Doak

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2025, 07:09:45 PM »
One RH member I spoke told me the membership thought moving was a risk. I told him the real risk was not moving.


In the stockbroker business this is known as "talking your book".  ;)

Mike_Clayton

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2025, 09:43:21 PM »
One RH member I spoke told me the membership thought moving was a risk. I told him the real risk was not moving.


In the stockbroker business this is known as "talking your book".  ;)


Tom,


I should have made clear the opportunity is for them to build the third course on the 7 MB site. There is room for 3 and maybe 4 - certainly a par 3 course.

Kevin Pallier

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2025, 12:19:52 AM »
Ally


Given your limited time and restrictions - I'd stick to Melbourne (VIC) & Tasmania (I live in NSW so no State bias).


As for the 2 "must plays" in VIC = RMW and Kingston Heath. You could probably do RME on the same as RMW and count that as your 36 hole day. As someone mentioned earlier the drives between the courses on the Sandbelt are next to nothing eg: RM to Kingston Heath is only 15min.


You could spend 7 days on the Sandbelt but I would go for a small drive to the Mornington Peninsula to see something a bit different


Focusing on golf and nothing else I'd do something like


Day 1: Fly Singapore to Melb - play KH
Day 2: Play RMW & RME
Day 3: Drive to Mornington P - play National Gunnamatta
Day 4: Play National Moonah or St Andrews Beach drive back to Melb
Day 5: Play Victoria then fly to Launceston & drive 1hr up to Barnbougle
Day 6: Play Barnbougle Dunes then drive 3hrs to Hobart
Day 7: Play 7MB and fly home




Mike_Clayton

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Re: One week in Australia
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2025, 12:53:48 AM »
Ally


Given your limited time and restrictions - I'd stick to Melbourne (VIC) & Tasmania (I live in NSW so no State bias).


As for the 2 "must plays" in VIC = RMW and Kingston Heath. You could probably do RME on the same as RMW and count that as your 36 hole day. As someone mentioned earlier the drives between the courses on the Sandbelt are next to nothing eg: RM to Kingston Heath is only 15min.


You could spend 7 days on the Sandbelt but I would go for a small drive to the Mornington Peninsula to see something a bit different


Focusing on golf and nothing else I'd do something like


Day 1: Fly Singapore to Melb - play KH
Day 2: Play RMW & RME
Day 3: Drive to Mornington P - play National Gunnamatta
Day 4: Play National Moonah or St Andrews Beach drive back to Melb
Day 5: Play Victoria then fly to Launceston & drive 1hr up to Barnbougle
Day 6: Play Barnbougle Dunes then drive 3hrs to Hobart
Day 7: Play 7MB and fly home


Not the worst plan - assuming Day 1 is a Monday. Saturday on the member sandbelt clubs is barely better than impossible. St Andrews Beach is public and fine on Saturday.
I'd play St AB rather than play both Gunnamatta and Moonah at National but you can go wrong with them.
And it'd be a pity to come all this way and not see Barnbougle and Seven Mile Beach.