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Sean_A:

--- Quote from: Andrew Harvie on December 18, 2024, 09:13:13 PM ---I'm equally interested in someone's favourite holes as their least favourites, especially the better the golf course. If someone can put together a well-thought-out argument about a Doak 8 or above's "worst" hole with a compelling reason why, that's a fascinating topic to explore and I'd be very keen to listen to that over a post-game beer.


I wish Fried Egg's “Design Disasters” podcast/Instagram account was a bit like that. There are some funny holes in the series and some real head scratchers, but I'd be a bit more interested in the concept if they mixed the small town examples with some notably iffy holes on good-to-great golf courses and explained why. Right now, it just feels like punching down a little, but I still enjoy seeing it on my feed every-so-often and I get the limitations of picking mediocre holes on good golf courses.

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Yes, I will pay attention when notable courses are discussed. I have no interest in listening to people kick around courses that were never meant to be aspirational places to play.

Ciao

James Bennett:
Jim Hoak


I undertook this exercise at my club on Saturday (Royal Adelaide in Australia).
Three of us participated, and all of us found it challenging.
I asked them to put in order the par 3's (3 of them), the par 5's (3 of them), the shorter par 4's (up to 350 metres, about 380 yards , 5 of them) and the longer par 4's (over 350 metres, 7 of them).
Then they were to do the whole course, which enabled them to utilise the preliminary work undertaken.


I used the standard deviation of the results to identify the outliers, and it was very easy to identify whose opinion was the outlier.  The discussion started with the outlier explaining their rating for that hole.


There were 7 holes that arose, with to having large variations and 5 with significant variations.
one respondent had 4 outliers, I had 2 (including one of the large variations) and the other had 1.


It was a good exercise.  I will repeat it, but with some players of different ability.  I wonder whether there will be more or less variability with participants with greater range in ability.


James B

Jim Hoak:
James, I wonder if you saw any overarching lessons about the course in general?  It was represented to me that the greater the variation in answers, the greater the course--the lack of consensus meaning that more holes were great.

mike_malone:
I think Merion is a course where consensus opinion on the holes might be high. Obviously it’s a great course. 5 stands out on the front. 16 and 18 on the back also seem to be consensus favorites.


So ,if I’m correct does this make Merion a lesser course?

Jim Hoak:
Mike, obviously, Merion is not a lesser course.  But I think that there might be less consensus than you think.
If not, then the lesson from the exercise is wrong--at least, in this example.

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