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Ranking my favorite holes at Pine Valley from 1-18
Jim_Coleman:
I assume this isn’t a hard question, but I’ll throw it out for those too young to know.
I think the first ranking by a national publication was Dan Jenkins’ ‘60’s article in Sports Illustrated listing the best 18 holes in America. He did it by where the holes fell on each course - the best first hole, second hole, etc.
Two questions- 1) which was PV’s hole, and 2) which course had 2 holes and which holes were they?
Charlie Goerges:
--- Quote from: Jim_Coleman on December 18, 2024, 01:04:09 PM --- I assume this isn’t a hard question, but I’ll throw it out for those too young to know.
I think the first ranking by a national publication was Dan Jenkins’ ‘60’s article in Sports Illustrated listing the best 18 holes in America. He did it by where the holes fell on each course - the best first hole, second hole, etc.
Two questions- 1) which was PV’s hole, and 2) which course had 2 holes and which holes were they?
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Pine Valley #7 and Merion had #1 and #11. I can post the articles if people want.
MCirba:
Drats...Charlie beat me to Jim's question! >:( :)
That Jenkins ranking was made into a board game that my parents got me for Christmas back in the early 1970s. Some debatable picks in there (i.e. the 9th at Champions) and it was top-heavy on tournament courses but it was a really good introduction to architecture for a young teen just getting into the game.
Charlie, I'd love to see them...wondering perhaps on a new thread to not divert too far from Archie's "design intent" here? Thanks!
Michael Felton:
--- Quote from: Jim_Coleman on December 18, 2024, 01:04:09 PM --- I assume this isn’t a hard question, but I’ll throw it out for those too young to know.
I think the first ranking by a national publication was Dan Jenkins’ ‘60’s article in Sports Illustrated listing the best 18 holes in America. He did it by where the holes fell on each course - the best first hole, second hole, etc.
Two questions- 1) which was PV’s hole, and 2) which course had 2 holes and which holes were they?
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I have a book of Dan Jenkins' stuff. He had in it a few "best of" lists. Best short par 4 was 8 at Pine Valley. He said something along the lines of "a short par 4 where you hit a wedge from a sloping lie to a green about the size of a dinner plate. Actually, I exaggerate. It's more the size of an ashtray"
Bill Crane:
# 13 - BEST One of best holes and par 4s in the world. Simply awesome and so strategic in every way. Cape Green is amazing. The trees at the end of the fairway have a big effect on drive and approach shot. Dramatic tee shot.
#12 - LEAST Interesting hole on the course. But still great.
Maybe 14 (drop shot par 3 over pond) is not as good as the other 15 holes not already mentioned (second least interesting).
But, the remaining 15 holes are EXCELLENT and one could only argue about where they are in relation to each other.
Every hole has so much bold strategy.
At the same time the subtle details are so pervasive and effective that even when there isn’t a big dramatic feature the subtle details have a huge cumulative effect. Angles, visual details, uneven stances etc. etc.
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