redanman:
You missed my point. I enjoy short par-4's as much as you do. I would just hope that when players decide to bust it there needs to be some sort of "meaningful" penalty that will catch them should they err. What's wrong with that?
There's a few holes on the front side at AS (4th, 6th and 8th) that are simple pro forma holes that really don't offer that much of a "complete" challenge.
Yes, I see what you are striving to point out regarding "getting it close" and "scoring." Let me point out a similar type hole on a new course I played while in AZ -- the 10th at Outlaw -- the new Nicklaus design in Scottsdale.
The hole is ONLY 338 yards but you don't get away with simply busting the ball and landing on the green. The hole plays slightly downhill and there is an opening for tee shots but the opening isn't any wider than what you find at the 10th at Riviera.
There is a solitary d-e-e-p bunker in front and the green is perched on a slight diagonal that requires a deft touch with your second to get anywhere close. I like holes that have strategic flair -- the 6th at AS lacks when compared top the hole I just mentioned. That's all I suggested.