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Sean_A

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I knew nothing about Bluffton SC prior to this tour and I know next to nothing now…other than I enjoyed using the small town as my base for several days while waiting out Hurricane Helene. The original trip called for games at Colleton River Club Dye Course, Palmetto Bluff Crossroads Course, Camden, Palmetto, Aiken and Old Barnwell. The two major reasons for the trip was to play the recently opened Crossroads Course I had heard so much about from fellow GCAer Wardo; and Old Barnwell, the Brian Schnieder & Blake Conant design opened a few years ago. Of course, playing one of my favourite courses, Palmetto, would be no hardship. It was not to be. Hurricane Helene smashed into the Carolinas and put to rest my plans and those of many others. As it turned out, I played Colleton River Dye Course, Crossroads, Chechessee Creek and Old Barnwell…and this excellent shortened itinerary was due to the largesse of some GCAers. 

While small, Bluffton served me well as a base and not surprisingly, there is a long history of the area. By the 1830s the town eventually settled around May River which is now known as Old Town. During the extremely complicated period of the Antebellum South, under the leadership of Robert Barnwell Rhett there was talk of secession as early as 1844. Rhett was never to change his views and eventually became a member of the Confederate House of Representatives once secession was declared. Bluffton would be all but destroyed in during the Civil War. It wasn’t until the development of nearby Hilton Head that Bluffton really got back on its feet. Despite the immense growth of the town in the past 30 years the area retains the historic buildings that remained after the town was burned down. Bluffton is now a charming town with some sympathetic development which essentially provides a “downtown”.   

As it turns out, I could not have picked four more diverse courses. Colleton River Club Dye Course and Chechessee Creek Club are both low country gems, but the difference in styles between Dye and Coore and Crenshaw is stark. The Crossroads is a mini marvel built from nothing. Old Barnwell is the opposite, a vast course with wide fairways and architectural hints of the late Victorian era.

I wasn’t prepared for Dye’s Colleton River. There is some similar shaping at Kiawah’s Ocean Course, but ramped up about four notches at Colleton River. I don’t care for much of the shaping, but underneath this façade is a course of quality whose holes are split between mature Low Country Forest and wetlands overlooking Port Royal Sound. The site is lovely which leaves one with no question as to why the course was used for filming some scenes for The Legend of Baggar Vance. The greens are generally small, starring meaningful slopes and contours. True to Dye principles, Colleton River is tough…tough enough to host the South Carolina Amateur and US Open Qualifying. The course was built in 1998, just as the current design renaissance was kicking off and restored in 2016 and is often compared to Dye’s much loved Long Cove Club built on Hilton Head Island in 1981. There are those who believe Colleton River is the better effort.

The setup seems designed to flow from the house, to the putting green to the range to the first tee. I always prefer to start off near the house, but at least we get Dye’s full flavour. A modest par 4, the opener’s tight target green is tucked among hollows and sand. Below is the approach after a poor drive.


The green.


A par 5, the second isn't onerous. To mye eye many of the bunkers seem under-sized. However, if we ignore the style for a moment, the placement is excellent.


Another good green. Its easy to get caught out by the small trenches which flow to the edges of the putting surface. 


#3. I felt a mix of being appalled and bewildered while standing on the tee. I could clearly see a fine short hole...just beyond a mess of perhaps the most bizarre bunker "scheme" I have ever seen. 


I don't recall what I said, but my host pointed out that there was a bunker behind me! 


While heading to the green I saw the true nature of this excellent hole. After the third I stopped thinking about the crazy shaping and focused more on what the course is rather than what it isn't. The course looks scruffy...it wasn't. The condition was good, excellent even if we consider that a hurricane passed through a few days earlier and dumped I don't know how much rain and tree debris on the course.


More to follow.

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« Last Edit: December 18, 2024, 07:23:58 AM by Sean_A »
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Sean_A

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A longish two-shotter with a nasty bunker down the right, the 4th is a bit deceptive to the eye because of the shaping. Below is the approach.


Another small target green with enough movement to keep golfers honest. Perhaps the most striking aspect of this hole is the diagonal shaping line from left to right covering the entire hole corridor. The green sort of blends into the shaping rather than being highlighted. I think this concept is repeated often.


From the tee the hole design of the 5th isn't at all clear.


Once seeing the approach it becomes clear the left side of the fairway is the place to be, but it is a tough shot to gain that position. Its difficutl to discern, but the green is somewhat like a peninsula extending from the left. There is sand surrounding the right side of the green.  This is probably my favourite par 4 on the front nine.  The strategy is good and the shaping is more subdued.


Another good short hole; the 6th.


A classy set of greens is on display which in no way compete with the shaping.


The 7th ramps up the crazy again. This sharp legger right is a tough hole...trees can easily block out approaches. This is the approach.


More to follow.

Ciao
« Last Edit: December 03, 2024, 02:26:44 AM by Sean_A »
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Andrew Harvie

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This looks interesting. I'll be very curious on your Crossroads thoughts, there isn't much discourse on it out there.
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MCirba

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Sean,


Your pics have me wondering if perhaps Pete Dye had a "smaller is better" bunker phase during his career?  A course I played that was built in the same general timeframe and significantly altered/rebuilt by Pete Dye shortly after opening (The River Course at Virginia Tech) had this same general theme...scads of almost mini-bunkers, with not quite enough room for "an angry man and his wedge", as the old adage goes.   One might reasonably say that both courses at Whistling Straits are of that ilk, as well, and again built right around the turn of the century.


They certainly make for penal hazards, so I have no issue there.   Not sure I love the sensory overload, however.
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Sean_A

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Andrew…Crossroads is very cool.

Mike

I mostly laughed at the bunkering. To me that style makes no sense on a Low Country landscape. And, yes, Dye may have gone through some sort of phase. I don’t know, Dye’s work has never attracted enough to dig into his body of work.

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« Last Edit: December 19, 2024, 11:58:51 PM by Sean_A »
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John Foley

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From someone whop admires your course tours a lot, cant wait to see all of your thoughts. Crossroads should be interesting and we never talk enough about C3! Wish you would have gotten out to Camden as I hear hear very good things about it.
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Sean_A

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Thank you John.

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Holes 1-7 are good for sure, but it is from the 8th that the course clicked for me. A tough par 5, the water down the left may discourage folks from keeping to this line. Some trees and two clumps of bunker madness down the right plus the final carry bunkers essentially create a classic penal hole. There is nothing to do except execute. A look down the fairway from well beyond the tees.


I spent a lot of time peering down fairways trying to determine what was going on. I have to believe that on such a flat site, Dye intentionally created confusing landscapes.


Behind the small and undulating green. As was the case on a few holes such as the 4th, somewhat hidden bunkers line one side of the green. In this case there are several bunkers on the right (left in the photo) which foil what I thought was the safe area to hit when in doubt. There is no safety on the 8th other than the green.


A decent length par four fulling breaking from the trees takes us back to the house. Sand is everywhere on 9, but there is an enticing arm of the fairway hanging on the left beyond the huge bunker below the fairway. Bunkering below fairway height is another feature of the design which I find intimidating. 


If we keep left there is a view of the green available. Coming in from the right is a recipe for disaster.


The drive completely sets up the approach on the 10th. There isn't any way to completely avoid the influence of Lake Alice on the approach, but the risk can be mitigated with safer play down the right.


However, a well placed tree negates bailing too far right. On the far side of the berm separating 10 & 11 is more sand!




More to follow.

Ciao
« Last Edit: December 07, 2024, 11:38:14 PM by Sean_A »
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ward peyronnin

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I first played this course in the early 2000s and have long maintained that it is the most "fun" Dye course I have played demonstrating that those two words are not mutually exclusive.
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Matt Kardash

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I have heard from people that Colleton River is a hidden Dye gem. Some people think very highly of it. I remember Tim Liddy saying it was actually one of his favourite Dye courses. Based solely on photos it has a Harbour Town meets Whistling Straits vibe. Kind of reminds me also somewhat of Dye's course at Barefoot, except Colleton River appears a lot more intricate in its detailing, leading me to believe Dye spent a lot more time here.
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Sean_A

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The 11th swings us back to the house. This par 5 isn't short and we played into a a bit of wind so I found the hole tough. The green too is a bit unusual in that it is fairly large. Two good shots would leave this sort of approach for me.


The green is surrounded by bunkers, but there is plenty of room to push a low shot onto the green.


12-14 zip out to a peninsula. This three hole loop features about 800 yards of something different. The wind plays a more prominent role, but there is also more daring architecture in play.
 

I am not sure it is possible to avoid the marsh carry for the approach.
 

 

If dry there is more forgiveness on the carry than it appears. This hole reminds me a lot of Kiawah Ocean Course.
 

The short 13th strikes me as a classic links par 3. The wind can hit the ball more ferociously than anticipated.  There is room out there, but less than it seems.
 

The visual signs point to the 14th being a legger right. No, the hole bends left around a mound to a raised green. There is serious trouble left and right.  Even though these holes tore me up, I was sad to head away from this section of the property.
 

 

More to follow.

Ciao
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Matt Kardash

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14 has always seemed very MacDonald/Raynor to me.
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Pierre_C

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Sean,


   Great review. There are a lot of great courses in the Bluffton area.  The low country is one of my favorite places in the South; great golf, good food, and people with a Pollyanna disposition. Bluffton is just far enough from Hilton Head to avoid the crowds and traffic.
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Sean_A

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14 has always seemed very MacDonald/Raynor to me.

How so?

Pierre

I agree. Bluffton is a lovely spot to hold up for a few days if ya don’t mind a quiet existence.

Ciao
« Last Edit: December 09, 2024, 03:24:17 AM by Sean_A »
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Matt Kardash

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14 has always seemed very MacDonald/Raynor to me.

How so?

Pierre

I agree. Bluffton is a lovely spot to hold up for a few days if ya don’t mind a quiet existence.

Ciao
Well, it's kind of the Dye take on an Alps hole. Also, that kind of large squarish green MacDonald/Raynor would build.
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Sean_A

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14 has always seemed very MacDonald/Raynor to me.

How so?

Pierre

I agree. Bluffton is a lovely spot to hold up for a few days if ya don’t mind a quiet existence.

Ciao
Well, it's kind of the Dye take on an Alps hole. Also, that kind of large squarish green MacDonald/Raynor would build.

Did Dye do non-blind Alps often?

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Matt Kardash

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I don't know, but he has done many (like 14 at Colleton River) that are blind from one side of the fairway.
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Sean_A

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I don't know, but he has done many (like 14 at Colleton River) that are blind from one side of the fairway.

Matt

It doesn't surprise me that Dye would use this strategy often.

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The 15th is one or the more forceful holes in that the drive is dictated...the marsh is right and the tree/bunkers are left.  The cart path on the left needs to be sorted. 


I know the course was essentially built from scratch is it’s impressive that the impression of the land moving toward the water is well done. 


The course has a fine set of greens. Nothing too wild, but always entertaining.


The 16th plays alongside the 11th and toward a stand of live oaks. The 10th is just further to the left. This part of the property is a bit tight, but berms create separation between the holes. So far as this concept goes, it looks alright. Bunkering is part of the shaping which helps hide the berm. 


The hole turns right between trees to a green not too far from the water. Its not one of my favourite holes, but the trees are magnificent.


A look at a few trees along the 17th corridor.




More to follow.

Ciao
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Sean_A

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A good short hole, 17 doesn't use the water as well as it might due to the bunkers acting as a buffer.


Arguably more difficult than its mirror cousin, the home hole uses Alice Lake in much the same way as the 10th. Unlike the 10th, bunkers are used extensively on the water side of the fairway. 


The line of instinct along the water may be a shorter route, but arguably a more treacherous path to the green.


Even the the line of charm requires threading the penal needle of bunkers. 




I am not sure I will ever properly appreciate the shaping style of Colleton River. Yet, if we strip back the visual facade and pay attention to holes and shots, there is little doubt in my mind that Dye designed a course of merit.  The shaping does serve two important functions of terrain elevation and separation. One a flat site such as this, the elevation variety, even if often an illusion, helps the cause of design variety. I only wish the mounding cut more boldly across fairways more often.  In contrast to the wild shaping, the greens are never excessive, but always compelling. Add in the great walkability of Colleton River and it isn't a stretch to say that this may well be one of Dye's best least discussed courses.  1* 2024

The fun doesn't quite end on 18. The house has a great outdoor seating area upstairs where one gets a staggering view of the 12-14 loop with the 11th green in the foreground and Port Royal Sound in the background. Despite the raw beauty, it is sobering to be reminded this area was an early battleground of the Civil War.






Future stops on the tour

Crossroads
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,73429.0.html

Chechessee Creek

Old Barnwell

Ciao
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Marty Bonnar

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Did you see the Redanman out there?
 ;D
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Sean_A

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Did you see the Redanman out there?
 ;D

FBD

I never met Rman. I think you are mates, have you played the course?

Ciao
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Marty Bonnar

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Did you see the Redanman out there?
 ;D

FBD

I never met Rman. I think you are mates, have you played the course?

Ciao


No, haven’t been to visit them since they moved down there - yet!
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Sean_A

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Did you see the Redanman out there?
 ;D

FBD

I never met Rman. I think you are mates, have you played the course?

Ciao


No, haven’t been to visit them since they moved down there - yet!

It’s a good area for golf and tourism. You should go see Rman.

Ciao
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