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Colin Sheehan

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Golf & Race Tracks
« on: November 26, 2024, 08:19:37 PM »

Hey everyone,

I thought this curiosity was worthy of a topic.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/DJkdmLw9espnXKTq6

I didn't quite realize how frequently the two mingled. I knew of Musselburgh Old and Great Yarmouth but they keep turning up. Last week, John Mayhugh reminded me of Northumberland, and I recently added the one in Dublin after seeing it in the first episode of season two of Bad Sisters.

And then there's the NLE tracks of Somerset Hills, Brookline and The Bridge. And there's even one that was rough shaped and never even built at OMC. 

I'm curious if people know of more? I'd love to add to the slideshow.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Colin 
« Last Edit: November 27, 2024, 02:01:19 PM by Colin Sheehan »

John Foley

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2024, 08:36:42 PM »
Colin


Check out Longleaf in Pinehurst.


[size=78%]http://https://www.longleafgfc.com/the-longleaf-legacy/[/size]


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Colin Sheehan

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2024, 08:55:01 PM »
Thanks, John. I added two images at the end. I think I got it. 
Quite a change in that place from 1992 to present.

Joe Bausch

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2024, 09:06:34 PM »
Where I live (Philly) we have a wonderful public golf course with a race track history: Jeffersonville GC!

Here is the pertinent info from the course web page:

Jeffersonville Golf Club is an 18-Hole, par 70 public course, owned and operated by West Norriton Township. Opened in 1931, Jeffersonville was designed by legendary architect Donald J. Ross. West Norriton Township purchased the golf course in 1972. The course is currently ranked in the top 10 public golf courses in Pennsylvania.
Prior to becoming a golf course, the land was used for horse racing in the late 1800s and early 1900s. The races featured a half-mile, oval track that was located where the 11th and 16th holes currently stand.
By 1908, the track evolved into the Montgomery Riding Academy but discontinued the live racing. Anson B. Evans purchased the land in 1919 and the track was closed in the late 1920s. Evans hired Donald Ross to convert the property into an 18-hole golf course, which opened a few years later. The Evans family continued to operate the golf course until West Norriton Township purchased the property in 1972.
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Jim Hoak

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2024, 09:14:44 PM »
Colin, someone else will probably have more history and more pictures than I, but there are two 18's built by Alister MacKenzie at the Jockey Club in Buenos Aires, Argentina.  The Club has a downtown eating club and also a country club, where there was originally a horse-oriented facility with polo fields and a racing track with grandstands, etc.  All are still there and operational.  And MacKenzie subsequently built the golf courses as a part of the Club on adjacent land--which they claim is the only 36-hole setup built by him.
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Colin Sheehan

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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2024, 09:34:44 PM »
Thanks, Jim.
I should have remembered the Jockey Club. I added it to the slideshow but the two 18s and two tracks only interact tangentially.


I wonder if the plot for golf was originally a track? Anyone know?


Thanks,
Colin
« Last Edit: November 27, 2024, 08:11:55 AM by Colin Sheehan »

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2024, 09:51:39 PM »
Rose City in Portland OR was built on the site of an automobile dirt track.
Speedway in Indiana is another.

Craig Sweet

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2024, 10:05:51 PM »
I have been to Leopardstown for the races over the Christmas holiday but didn't realize the course was in the infield. The horse racing was superb!
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2024, 10:08:05 PM »
Colin

Check out Longleaf in Pinehurst.

[size=78%]http://https://www.longleafgfc.com/the-longleaf-legacy/[/size]


I interviewed for the Longleaf job thirty years ago and hit it off well with the client, but the local banker who provided the loan apparently had a relationship with Dan Maples.

Tim_Cronin

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2024, 11:42:50 PM »
Colin, this is a great topic.


In Chicago, there were two courses in the infield of horse tracks.


1. The original Washington Park (near the park of the same name in Chicago) course opened in 1896 and closed when betting on horse racing was banned in Illinois in 1905. Charles Blair Macdonald and Richard Leslie shaped the nine holes. Only the first tee and ninth green was outside the oval.


2. The Harlem Jockey Club course, in Oak Park on Roosevelt Road, just west of Harlem Avenue, was a nine-holer that opened in 1901. Birthed by club landscaper John Thorpe, he brought in James and David Foulis to design it in the fall of 1900. At 2,524 yards long with a bogey of 39, it was used through 1904 by members of the HJC, then two other clubs.


2A. In 1910, the Harlem course was reworked by David McIntosh and reopened inside the now-dormant oval. By 1913, it was expanded to 18 holes and was one of the few privately-owned public courses in the Chicago area. The last season of play was 1941, with the Navy buying the site to build a torpedo plant in early 1942, about six weeks after Pearl Harbor.


But wait, there's more. There was also a Chicago-area course inside an auto-racing track. On July 4, 1916, Speedway Park Golf Course opened nine holes designed by Tom Bendelow inside the two-mile Chicago Speedway Park oval in Broadview, a high-banked board track made of 2-by-4s (the way to build a high-speed high-banked oval for what we today call Indy cars at the time). It was a few miles from Harlem. Another nine was to open in 1917. By 1918, the track was bankrupt and Edward Hines, who had sold the place the lumber, bought it for that lumber to build a hospital for wounded servicemen on the site. The modern Hines Hospital stands there today. (It wasn't until 1929 that the Indianapolis Motor Speedway opened its first course in the infield of the Brickyard.)


Outside Chicago, don't forget Torrey Pines, the 36-hole complex built on the bluff that from 1951 through 1956 was the scene of one of the most important sports car races in the U.S., held on a 2.7 mile course on the old Army base. It only closed because San Diego's municipal board fancied using the site for golf.
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2024, 12:06:32 AM »
Ludlow by Duncan Chrslett, on Flickr


Ludlow GC in Shropshire sits in the middle of a racecourse.

Ash Towe

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2024, 12:07:57 AM »
Tauranga Golf Club in New Zealand has some holes inside a race course. An enjoyable round if you are in the area.

Adam Uttley

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2024, 01:22:06 AM »
Hoylake used to have a racetrack within it and Morfontaine has one adjacent to it.

Ally Mcintosh

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2024, 01:36:57 AM »
Gowran Park in Kilkenny, Ireland

David Jones

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2024, 02:09:33 AM »
Royal Durban is within Greyville racetrack.





Kelso in the Borders is largely inside the racetrack too






« Last Edit: November 27, 2024, 02:14:30 AM by David Jones »

Richard Fisher

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2024, 04:12:48 AM »
Yes, 'Stand' as in Hoylake's 17th is a reference to its racing heritage: there was once a racecourse on Morfa Harlech, just to the north of the current links. Lansdown GC abuts Bath race course (the highest track in England) and there are, or certainly were, mini-courses inside such top class venues as Sandown Park. Doesn't a golf course at Doncaster come into view around Town Moor?

Thomas Dai

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2024, 05:07:21 AM »
Golf courses and horse racing tracks have a few commonalities particularly free draining soil and terrain that isn’t much good for growing crops on. Hence both occuring on links, downland, hilltops too. In past times there would have been more as both events were more localised.
Atb

Simon Barrington

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2024, 05:20:54 AM »
Golf courses and horse racing tracks have a few commonalities particularly free draining soil and terrain that isn’t much good for growing crops on. Hence both occuring on links, downland, hilltops too. In past times there would have been more as both events were more localised.
Atb
And also the source of the original "Steeplechase" Bunkers.

e.g. Torquay (& South Devon) GC was set upon the Racecourse at St. Marychurch when it was added to the golfing options for the Town in 1909.
JH Taylor was thought to have designed an initial layout, but it was more likely John Allan of Westward Ho!
Braid later extended and renovated it from 1928 onwards

(The NLE, but much written about, compact cliff-top links at "Babbacombe", home of the confusingly named Torquay & St Marychurch GC, were becoming an issue as on public land and the interactions between picnics, cricketers and golfers were increasingly problematic)

See here for images of the early course and "Steeplechase" Hazards, for both Golfers & Horses

https://www.golfsmissinglinks.co.uk/index.php/england/south-west/devon/1008-dev-torquay-golf-club-walls-hill?highlight=WyJ0b3JxdWF5Il0=

Cheers
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Rick Sides

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2024, 06:02:25 AM »
How about Due Process Stable in NJ and Glen Riddle in MD?

Simon Barrington

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2024, 06:03:35 AM »
One to consider, although not a Horse Racetrack, would be Brickyard Crossing

Richard Fisher

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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2024, 07:06:45 AM »
There is incidentally a wonderful book by Chris Pitt A Long Time Gone examining the many NLE racecourses of the UK. To be read in conjunction with the Missing Links website...

Colin Sheehan

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2024, 07:08:43 AM »
Tim, That's some interesting history from Chicagoland. And I had forgotten about Torrey.

Duncan, Thanks for pointing out Ludlow. That's a busy one. Two public roads, the full oval track and a cut through. That looks like it could feel like golf on Blackheath Common!

Ash, I don't see any holes inside the race track at Tauranga. Was that once the case?

Ally, Thank you for Gorwan Park.

David, Thank you for Kelso and RD. I only played Durban CC when I was in the area.

I'm particularly interested in the ones that play both within and without the oval of the track where the track isn't just OB but a strategic hazard. I moved each of those instances to the front of the slideshow.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2024, 07:14:11 AM by Colin Sheehan »

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2024, 07:08:51 AM »
Colin

Check out Longleaf in Pinehurst.

[size=78%]http://https://www.longleafgfc.com/the-longleaf-legacy/[/size]


I interviewed for the Longleaf job thirty years ago and hit it off well with the client, but the local banker who provided the loan apparently had a relationship with Dan Maples.


I’m sure you know this, but Bill Bergin has worked there since Maples.  He designed the interior short course, called Bottlebrush, as well as the US Kids practice facility there.  (US Kids golf is headquartered there.) I think he supervised regrassing the greens and some bunker work as well, though not as much as he would have liked to do..
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2024, 09:51:42 AM »
Brickyard Crossing?


It's cars, not horses, not sure if it counts.
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Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: Golf & Race Tracks
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2024, 10:03:04 AM »
Tim, That's some interesting history from Chicagoland. And I had forgotten about Torrey.

Duncan, Thanks for pointing out Ludlow. That's a busy one. Two public roads, the full oval track and a cut through. That looks like it could feel like golf on Blackheath Common!

Ash, I don't see any holes inside the race track at Tauranga. Was that once the case?

Ally, Thank you for Gorwan Park.

David, Thank you for Kelso and RD. I only played Durban CC when I was in the area.

I'm particularly interested in the ones that play both within and without the oval of the track where the track isn't just OB but a strategic hazard. I moved each of those instances to the front of the slideshow.


Colin, as mentioned by Ally, the Gowran Park course has two holes (9th, 16th) that play across/over the horse racing track. You can see the course layout here. So it plays without, within and over!


https://www.gowranpark.ie/golfing/course/