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Steve_ Shaffer

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Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« on: November 01, 2024, 01:29:15 PM »
This closed New Jersey Tillinghast gem will be replaced by a CarMax and a self-storage facility...
CarMax and self-storage facility CubeSmart on Route 36, along with 145 age-restricted single-family homes off Monmouth Road, will replace the links at the Old Orchard Country Club.

At an upcoming meeting, the borough Planning Board is set to finalize its approval of a proposal by Surrey Equities LLC to redevelop the 18-hole golf course, a 136-acre plot that was designed by famed architect A.W. Tillinghast and opened in 1929.The project culminates years of efforts to build on the property. More than 15 years ago, a proposal to build 700 homes and 535,000 square feet of retail disintegrated after opposition from Eatontown officials, as well as from neighboring Oceanport, West Long Branch and Monmouth County freeholders.

Read more:CarMax, senior living, self-storage to replace Tillinghast golf course

« Last Edit: November 01, 2024, 01:52:59 PM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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David_Tepper

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2024, 01:42:49 PM »
Oh boy, that takes me back to the 1960's, when I played the course several times as a kid. Certainly the first island green I ever saw.

Our next door neighbor in Long Branch was a member for many years. My father's retirement luncheon was held there in the 1970's.

Mike Worth

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2024, 06:11:47 PM »
This closed New Jersey Tillinghast gem will be replaced by a CarMax and a self-storage facility...
CarMax and self-storage facility CubeSmart on Route 36, along with 145 age-restricted single-family homes off Monmouth Road, will replace the links at the Old Orchard Country Club.
At an upcoming meeting, the borough Planning Board is set to finalize its approval of a proposal by Surrey Equities LLC to redevelop the 18-hole golf course, a 136-acre plot that was designed by famed architect A.W. Tillinghast and opened in 1929.The project culminates years of efforts to build on the property. More than 15 years ago, a proposal to build 700 homes and 535,000 square feet of retail disintegrated after opposition from Eatontown officials, as well as from neighboring Oceanport, West Long Branch and Monmouth County freeholders.

Read more:CarMax, senior living, self-storage to replace Tillinghast golf course


Steve Old Orchard has a functioning website so I called the course. They are still open.


The gentleman I spoke with said he’s been taking phone calls all day on the topic and had spoken to the owner who said the deal isn’t quite final[size=78%].[/size]


I guess I need to run up there and play it before it happens.

David_Tepper

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2024, 06:17:51 PM »
I think Mike Cirba has posted here in the past questioning whether or not the Tillinghast legacy is really correct.   

Mike Worth

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2024, 06:23:02 PM »
I think Mike Cirba has posted here in the past questioning whether or not the Tillinghast legacy is really correct.


I couldn’t remember if this was the course Mike posted about or if it was the old Fort Monmouth Suneagles course with the questionable Tillinghast legacy.


I was looking at Suneagles website as Fort Monmouth has been closed for ages. I thought the course was also closed. But it has survived and appears to be totally private.

« Last Edit: November 01, 2024, 06:24:35 PM by Mike Worth »

David_Tepper

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2024, 06:28:39 PM »
I think the Tillinghast pedigree at Suneagles is far more secure than it is at Old Orchard. MikeC. also once discussed the Jumping Brook course in Neptune, which also claims a Tillinghast heritage even if it is thru one of Tillinghast's associates.

https://www.jumpingbrookcc.com/our-history/ 

Joe Bausch

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2024, 06:49:02 PM »
Iirc:

Suneagles: yes Tilly.

Old Orchard: no Tilly.

Feel free to correct (and if I’m wrong, I’ll use the edit feature).
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2024, 08:50:15 PM »
All:




If not Tilly, who then?





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Phil Young

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2024, 11:27:25 PM »
The reason why many have argued both for and against Tilly as the designer of the Old Orhcard CC course is because it didn't exist in the late 1920's.
      The March 12, 1936 issue of the Red Bank Daily Register, under the heading, "Club Name Changed," stated, "Daniel J. Maher, President of the Long Branch Country Club, has announced plans for the re-opening of the club. Hereafter the club will be known as the Old Orchard Country Club."
      The Long Branch Country Club came into existence in 1929 and the course that was built at that time was the golf course used by the new Old Orchard Country Club when the Long Branch CC was "re-opened." So the real question is who designed that golf course?
      To answer that we must first turn to the June 6, 1929 issue of the Long Branch Daily Record. Under the heading, "COUNTRY CLUB IS NOW CORPORATION," the article that followed stated, "Long Branch Country Club is now a corporation...Although the purchase of the Stillman farm has not been consumated, the committee in charge has virtually settled upon that property as the site for the course. Their decision is based on golf course experts who have examined the Stillman property. Among them was A. W. Tillinghast, one of the foremost course architects in the United States. Mr. Tillinghast is the builder of Baltusrol, Winged Foot and others."
      All that is left is to sign the contract. As noted in the July 17, 1929 issue of the Asbury Park Evening Press, "A cotract for the providing of the laying out an 18-hole golf course for the Long Branch Country Club, was awarded to Martin J. Loughlin, professional of the Plainfield Country Club."
      Tilly absolutely did not design the golf course.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2024, 08:40:03 AM by Phil Young »

Phil Young

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2024, 11:41:16 PM »
MIke and David, Suneagles Tillinghast pedigree may be the strangest tale of all of his projects. Being as brief as possible, In 1923 Tilly designed and built the golf course for the new Myosotis Country Club. It was funded by Max Phillips who was only interested in playing polo. He was so passionate for it that in 1925 he first decided to change the name of the golf course to Suneagles. Later, that same yearhe decided that he didn't want golf played at his beloved polo club and funded the purchase of new land that would have a new golf course built on it for a new golf club, the Suneagles Golf and Country Club that opened for play in May, 1926. This course also was designed by Tilly.
      Later on another twist to this story as in early 1932, it would become the Monmouth County Country Club...By the way, Max Phillips was a member of this club as well...
« Last Edit: November 02, 2024, 12:00:38 AM by Phil Young »

David_Tepper

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2024, 03:53:08 AM »
Phil -

Thanks for the info. For what it is worth, the Listings page on the Tillinghast Society website does include Jumping Brook, Myosotis (which I had never heard of before), Old Orchard and Sungeagles, as well as Norwood CC.

https://tillinghast.net/tillinghasts-work/listings/

Clearly Tillinghast spent a fair amount of time in Long Branch/Monmouth County back in the day.

DT
« Last Edit: November 02, 2024, 03:58:08 AM by David_Tepper »

Jaeger Kovich

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2024, 05:40:11 AM »
Old orchard is not worth playing and has no architectural features that would lead anyone to believe it is Tillinghast.

Bret Lawrence

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2024, 08:09:56 AM »
Martin O’Laughlin also designed Watchung Valley. At one time, thought to be a Raynor or Banks design.  I believe he was also involved with the design at Passaic.

Mike Worth

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2024, 08:24:24 AM »
Old orchard is not worth playing and has no architectural features that would lead anyone to believe it is Tillinghast.


I guess I DON’T need to run up to Monmouth County after all. Lol

Tim Martin

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2024, 12:48:16 PM »
MIke and David, Suneagles Tillinghast pedigree may be the strangest tale of all of his projects. Being as brief as possible, In 1923 Tilly designed and built the golf course for the new Myosotis Country Club. It was funded by Max Phillips who was only interested in playing polo. He was so passionate for it that in 1925 he first decided to change the name of the golf course to Suneagles. Later, that same yearhe decided that he didn't want golf played at his beloved polo club and funded the purchase of new land that would have a new golf course built on it for a new golf club, the Suneagles Golf and Country Club that opened for play in May, 1926. This course also was designed by Tilly.
      Later on another twist to this story as in early 1932, it would become the Monmouth County Country Club...By the way, Max Phillips was a member of this club as well...


I’m a fan of Suneagles.

Jaeger Kovich

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2024, 12:56:27 PM »
MIke and David, Suneagles Tillinghast pedigree may be the strangest tale of all of his projects. Being as brief as possible, In 1923 Tilly designed and built the golf course for the new Myosotis Country Club. It was funded by Max Phillips who was only interested in playing polo. He was so passionate for it that in 1925 he first decided to change the name of the golf course to Suneagles. Later, that same yearhe decided that he didn't want golf played at his beloved polo club and funded the purchase of new land that would have a new golf course built on it for a new golf club, the Suneagles Golf and Country Club that opened for play in May, 1926. This course also was designed by Tilly.
      Later on another twist to this story as in early 1932, it would become the Monmouth County Country Club...By the way, Max Phillips was a member of this club as well...


I’m a fan of Suneagles.


Suneagles is def worth seeing for any Tillinghast fan!

Joe Bausch

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2024, 04:03:45 PM »
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Mike Worth

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2024, 11:15:44 AM »
I called Suneagles they are indeed fully private. But they do offer teetimes to the public Tuesday through Friday after 1 PM


$250.


I don’t think they have a trail fee though lol

Tim Martin

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2024, 01:17:53 PM »
I called Suneagles they are indeed fully private. But they do offer teetimes to the public Tuesday through Friday after 1 PM


$250.


I don’t think they have a trail fee though lol


I wouldn’t call it “fully private” if the public can play four days out of seven(probably four out of six if closed on Monday).

MCirba

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2024, 06:19:44 PM »
I was responsible for the Tillinghast MISattribution for a number of reasons already mentioned.


Once I learned it was Martin O'Laughlin I did my best to clean it up on social and print media but these things grow legs once out there.  Lesson learned.
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Phil Young

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2024, 08:24:40 PM »
Mike, you're not to blame. I've been asked about whether Tilly designed Old Orchard or not for more than 20 years now. Back then and in the years that followed, I could only state that there wasn't a single article that I found that placed Tilly designing Old Orchard in the late 1920s or any other year. It was only a few years ago when I was able to find the documentation that proved he had nothing to do with it, this the result of newspaper articles that were added to Newspaper.com and other search engines. These grow annually and for someone who does research, is something to look at every now and then to see if more information has become available.
      I just finished what I thought would be my 4th and final version of Tillinghast Chronicles Volume II: The Golf Courses of A. W. Tillinghast. This convinces me that I need to include another section to it, The Golf Courses That Weren't Designed by A. W. Tillinghast. There are more than a few of these...
« Last Edit: November 03, 2024, 08:31:30 PM by Phil Young »

David_Tepper

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2024, 02:29:12 AM »
Phil or Mike -

Do either of you have any info as to where the Myosotis course was located?

DT

Phil Young

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2024, 02:42:52 AM »
Hi Mike, yes, I not only have its location, but the entire story and wacky chain of events that would lead it to become Suneagles at a different site and then become Monmouth County Country Club at that site and later on, after it was purchased by the U. S. Army, see it renamed back to Suneagles.
      Check your email... 
« Last Edit: November 04, 2024, 02:46:32 AM by Phil Young »

Peter Sayegh

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Re: Old Orchard CC in Eatontown, NJ (1929. Tillinghast) sold
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2024, 09:55:50 AM »
Old orchard is not worth playing...

Your (wrong) opinion.

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