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Jim Hoak

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Technical issues with GCA site
« on: May 14, 2024, 10:19:14 AM »
A technical question about Golf Club Atlas--
Is anyone else having trouble with the Send this Topic feature on GCA posts?  For a few weeks now, when I have tried to use this function, my forwarded messages do not make it to the person.  I think the feature is not working; it did as recently as a few months ago.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2024, 04:13:32 PM by Jim Hoak »

Kalen Braley

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2024, 10:23:32 AM »
This sounds about right Jim,


While I don't use that feature, I've also noticed the last few months I haven't been getting the email notifications when I have a new PM in my Inbox.


Kalen

Buck Wolter

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2024, 10:30:39 AM »
Imagine if you could post a thread directly to social media -- it seems like we are definitely in the MySpace era of GCA. I don't know the engagement stats but traffic has to be down.
Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience -- CS Lewis

Matt Schoolfield

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2024, 05:30:33 PM »
Alright, so, if you're interested in the technicals of this website, it's currently operating the 2.0.19 version of Simple Machines Forum. The version 2.0 online manual is here: https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.0:Main_Page.

It appears the feature you're talking about is called "SendTopic" and was last worked on/improved in version 2.0.15: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=557176.0. It may need to be improved again in the next version.

Email handling is very, very complex these days, mostly because the creators of email (technically the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol)  back in the early 80s really didn't have any idea that spam would become a thing, because it was just a few university and companies that use the protocol back then.

Today most email handling needs to go through a 3rd party email handler if it's coming from a single website, or email services like gmail will throw it straight in the spam folder. This might also be happening if the site is exceeding some quota (but I have no idea).

If you want to get around this, the only thing that the "Send this topic" feature is even doing, is emailing the URL to the topic. You can see this in the URL for sending this topic:

golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?action=emailuser;sa=sendtopic;topic=72868.0

Compare that to the URL on that you are probably looking at this text I'm writing right now:

golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,72868.0.html

or something like:

golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,72868.msg1748845.html#msg1748845

As you can see, the "topic" is simple a reference number, and sending the topic is effectively just sending them the number to the URL page. You can simple paste the URL of the page into an email and it should effectively allow people to reach this page directly. If, however, you want to send the text of the page in a readable format, you can click the "Print" link that is just to the right of the "Send this topic" and copy-paste into an email.

To address Buck's comments, yes, this is a very, very archaic web forum. It's open source, which is good, and means it's going to be effectively free, but it's built on PHP, which has mostly been abandoned (PHP loving tech nerds: fight me). The BBCode that the forum uses is also extremely dated, with most web forums using some for of Markdown. However, all of this is the result of path dependence. This site was built in the heyday of PHP and SQL, and without a major effort to modify the functionality of the site (modification that would cost money, and probably require some more expensive long term maintenance), it would be very challenging to upgrade. I'm actually really impressed that the site is fully up to data on it's version number (2.0.19) as that means that the operator is actually at least moderately concerned with security. There is another upgrade in store for the forum if we continue down this path, as Simple Machines is now operating version 2.1.4 and the site would just need to be upgraded from the 2.0 family to the 2.1 family.

Web development is hard, and unless you're willing to pay a lot of money (or actively lose money in the case of my website), open source site frameworks like this are built on the generosity of coders who work on them in their free time. The benefit of a clunky old site like this is it's robustness, but they certainly aren't flashy.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2024, 05:36:13 PM by Matt Schoolfield »

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2024, 09:37:02 PM »
To address Buck's comments, yes, this is a very, very archaic web forum. It's open source, which is good, and means it's going to be effectively free, but it's built on PHP, which has mostly been abandoned (PHP loving tech nerds: fight me).
No need to fight: you're just off base.  :)

PHP is used by like 75% of websites, and has been for quite some time. Over a decade.

https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php

Anyway…

This site's software is wildly out of date, years out of date. https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?PHPSESSID=9a6abcbfd12adaa7b3d83e04c9402d69&topic=586097.0 - version 2.1.4 is the last release, and even that is nearly a year old. And it's like four releases past what we're running here.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2024, 01:45:56 PM »
The software seems to have been updated pretty recently (between yesterday and today?). Good! I see a number of improvements already.

And my post was made without the text turning small. Even if that was the only improvement (if it is one), I'd be thrilled! Hoping it is among the list of improvements…
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Jim Hoak

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2024, 03:47:56 PM »
I just tried forwarding a topic as a test--and it did not go through.  I don't think that function is working again yet.
I also see that we are still shown as all "Newbies."  So that hasn't changed.
I am not particularly computer-savvy.  But what do see as an update in the system?  It looks the same to me.

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2024, 06:44:48 PM »
I just tried forwarding a topic as a test--and it did not go through.  I don't think that function is working again yet.
I also see that we are still shown as all "Newbies."  So that hasn't changed.
I am not particularly computer-savvy.  But what do see as an update in the system?  It looks the same to me.
Ignore works (it hides the post, you have to click to see it if you'd like). There's a Quick Reply at the bottom of the page. Some of the fonts are different. The error message that persisted for years is gone. The "Simple Machines Forum" text (or whatever it said) is gone… etc.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Phil Young

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2024, 06:53:31 PM »
Anyone think that maybe this is a discussion to be had with those who own the site and pay for it?

Ira Fishman

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2024, 07:20:43 PM »
Anyone think that maybe this is a discussion to be had with those who own the site and pay for it?


Phil, most of the people (you as you know) on this thread contribute each year to pay for it. The others can decide if they want to also contribute. But the reality is that the technology is not good. That is up to Ran as to whether to invest in the Discussion Group given the relatively small number of regular posters. But (a) posting photos should be a no brainer and (b) as us digital illiterates age out, the board will fail to attract the next generations which would be a shame.


Ira

Phil Young

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2024, 10:20:58 PM »
Ira, I domn't disagree with anything you said. What I was trying to get across is that it is quite obvious that at least several of those who made cooments have a very good understanding of the programs that would make the "technical issues" of the site become a thing of the past. That is why I recommend those and others who have that computer ability offer their services free of charge to Ran and work together to recreate the website for him. I, most certainly, do NOT have that ability...

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2024, 10:25:19 PM »
Ira, I domn't disagree with anything you said. What I was trying to get across is that it is quite obvious that at least several of those who made cooments have a very good understanding of the programs that would make the "technical issues" of the site become a thing of the past. That is why I recommend those and others who have that computer ability offer their services free of charge to Ran and work together to recreate the website for him. I, most certainly, do NOT have that ability...
Phil, I and others have done that.

I bumped the topic because some updates were made very recently. So someone is doing something.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Phil Young

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2024, 11:02:21 PM »
Thanks Erik, that's good to know.

Jim Hoak

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2024, 10:23:47 AM »
Phil, I raised these issues here because I'm sure Ran monitors things like this.
I make a small annual contribution to the site as I know many others do.  In addition, if Ran would ask for it, I'd be willing to chip in to help pay for any upgrade to the site he feels advisable.
I enjoy GCA very much, and I believe it could be improved a bit with better software.

Ira Fishman

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2024, 11:48:35 AM »
Jim,


You raise a good point. Many of us donate when we think to do so. I use Thanksgiving week as my reminder.


But if Ran gave us a plan for improving the DG and an estimated cost, more of us might be inclined to chip in or to chip in more.


Thanks.


Ira

Ronald Montesano

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2024, 05:19:33 PM »
I'm guessing that Drew has some plans...
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2024, 06:14:35 PM »
I also see that we are still shown as all "Newbies."  So that hasn't changed.
I could be wrong, but I thought that this was a conscious change made years ago to keep people from gaining "forum cred" by having a high post count of tens of thousands of posts.

Jim Hoak

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2024, 11:55:57 AM »
As of this morning, the forwarding function of Send this Topic still does not work.

Andrew Harvie

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2024, 03:21:39 PM »
As of this morning, the forwarding function of Send this Topic still does not work.


Jim,


I'll take a look into this and see what I can do. In the meantime, it might be easiest to copy the link and email or text them the link. Hang tight and I'll circle back if I can figure it out.
Managing Partner, Golf Club Atlas

Jim Hoak

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2024, 10:47:04 AM »
Thanks, Andrew!
Can you also see if we can all stop being referred to as Newbie's?
Not important, but would be nice to clean up?

Jim Hoak

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2024, 02:52:50 PM »
Love the new titles!
Thanks, Andrew.

Bill Seitz

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2024, 01:59:49 PM »
As of this morning, the forwarding function of Send this Topic still does not work.


Jim,


I'll take a look into this and see what I can do. In the meantime, it might be easiest to copy the link and email or text them the link. Hang tight and I'll circle back if I can figure it out.


May or may not be related, but I also stopped getting emails when someone sends a message on GCA.  I would always have to respond through GCA, but would also get an email notifying me of a message and its contents.  Not a huge deal since I'm not getting messages left and right, but I did miss a rather important one a couple months ago that I would have seen with an email notification.  I have the feature turned on in my profile.  Again, just noting so long as we're discussing site technical issues.

Andrew Harvie

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Re: GCA forwarding function
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2024, 03:38:49 PM »
As of this morning, the forwarding function of Send this Topic still does not work.


Jim,


I'll take a look into this and see what I can do. In the meantime, it might be easiest to copy the link and email or text them the link. Hang tight and I'll circle back if I can figure it out.


May or may not be related, but I also stopped getting emails when someone sends a message on GCA.  I would always have to respond through GCA, but would also get an email notifying me of a message and its contents.  Not a huge deal since I'm not getting messages left and right, but I did miss a rather important one a couple months ago that I would have seen with an email notification.  I have the feature turned on in my profile.  Again, just noting so long as we're discussing site technical issues.


This has turned into a surprisingly big problem that's affecting a lot, not just the forwarding or emails related to direct messages. I'm working on it, but it might be out of my depth so it'll take a bit of time.


Thanks for all the info, though—it helps!
Managing Partner, Golf Club Atlas

Jim Hoak

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Re: Technical issues with GCA site New
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2024, 04:12:44 PM »
Thanks, Andrew!
I'm glad that you are on it.  We have functioned well without some of these issues being fixed, so I know we are all patient.  Just glad someone is working on them.
As the originator of this thread, I am going to change its Subject title to encourage people to submit other technical issues for your attention.  Don't mean to pile on!  Just trying to be helpful.
Thanks for working to make this site even better than it is now!
« Last Edit: December 11, 2024, 12:15:08 PM by Jim Hoak »