MacKenzie and Water

[Tim Liddy]

I profer MacKenzie's best golf holes used water as a hazard including Augusta National 11,12, 15 original 16 and especially 13. Cypress Point 15,16,and 17 are also wonderful examples.

[Tommy Williamsen]

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[Kevin Pallier]

Tim


I'm not too sure about that. There aren't any water hazards on RMW and I'd say some are arguably up there with the best holes on the planet.


For starters 3-6, 10 & 16.

[Tom_Doak]

Some did, some didn't.


The bottom line is that he used what he had.  On the Pacific coast, you'd be crazy not to place holes right on the cliffs.  At Pasatiempo, you'd of course use the ravines.  At Augusta, you'd use Rae's Creek.  But at Royal Melbourne and Kingston Heath and Crystal Downs and Cavendish, he built some really dramatic holes with no water in sight.

[Marty Bonnar]

At Pitreavie, I’ve just counted off the top of my head something like 10 crossings of the small watercourses. Sometimes in front of tees, sometimes Green fronting, sometimes on approach shots, sometimes crossing square across them, sometimes on an angle.
A pretty wide variety of uses. It strikes me though that most, if not all, should be considered as penal as there’s no choice of play, other than going over them. I’d never really thought of that before.
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[Thomas Dai]

Would the water channels he created for both drainage and as spoil to create features at the Jockey Club be another if rather different example of his use of water?
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[Jeff_Brauer]

Tim,


I prefer Tilly's take on water.......never drink it in an undiluted state!

[Ally Mcintosh]

Doesn’t it just come down to architects who use natural water features in a variety of ways.


Vs


Architects who thrive on creating multiple artificial water features.


I’ll proffer that any architect who says they are actively against using water as a hazard is lying, if that water forms part of the raw site.

[Brett Hochstein]

I've been trying to ask myself the question of--did MacKenzie ever use created water in his designs, i.e. a man made pond.  I came up with a couple examples of ponds--Meadow Club and University of Michigan--but those were both definitively added later.


I can't even think of courses with natural ponds, unless you count the damming of creeks at Augusta, some (or all, I don't know exactly) of which happened later on.  Maybe over in England? What about original Ohio State? Granted, a big part of that is the regional geology of where he most worked; California and Australia don't have ponds.

[Adam Lawrence]

Tim,

I prefer Tilly's take on water.......never drink it in an undiluted state!

I prefer W. C. Fields': 'Don't drink water. Fish f*** in it.'