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D. Kilfara

Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« on: December 16, 2002, 01:27:46 PM »
Last night I had a dream that I was driving through Cincinnati and bumped into Pete Rose, who for some reason (I think he should remain banned from baseball, but anyway...) I invited out for a round of golf the following morning. Not knowing the courses in the area I immediately thumbed through my copy of the Confidential Guide, and found this course open for public play that Doak gave a 7 rating. The following morning, Rose begged off on me, but for some reason a college buddy of mine was also in town, so we went out to play it - much to our utter chagrin, while the course seemed to be set on a nice piece of land, it also featured greens that were square, rectangular or otherwise polygonal, and they were all "grassed" in blue, red or (occasionally) green astroturf. It reminded me of the course depicted in the second half of Caddyshack 2. Worse, the course was populated with a bunch of six-hours-per-18-holes types of foursomes, and yet my buddy and I (as a twosome) were somehow so much slower than everyone that the foursome behind us kept menacingly and threateningly asking to play through....

Luckily, I woke up before said foursome could start dismembering us. :) Anyway, I was wondering if others out there have had any dreams/nightmares they'd be willing to share which prominently or tangentially featured some connection to golf course architecture (or GolfClubAtlas.com, for that matter). Knowing this bunch, I'd be surprised if nobody else ever dreamed of GCA...

Cheers,
Darren
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2002, 01:33:24 PM »
Darren;

Nope; never dreamed about GCA.

Oh wait...Tom MacWood was in one of my dreams a few months back, although I've never met him in person and don't recall either the context or plot of the dream.

Phew...I'd think I'd better come up with some harmless, sterile details anyway, before JakaB reads this and gives me his Freudian interpretation.  ;)  

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Gary Smith (Guest)

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2002, 01:57:06 PM »
Last night I had a dream that Pete Rose won the U.S. Woman's Open in drag, but was thrown out of golf when it was disclosed he played the course 10% shorter than his fellow competitors.  :)
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Dr._Katz

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2002, 02:19:48 PM »
My Little GCA Leipshuns:

First, it is very good to dream, yes?

It is very good to talk about one's dreams, two! Aaach, I mean to say too.

You talk about your dreams here, it is good. And for the meanings and for the cures you call your Dr. Katz, yes?

Dr. Katz
(REMmeister)
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Tim Weiman

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2002, 02:28:15 PM »
Darren:

Ever since my first visit, the Cashen is so deeply imbedded in my brain that my dreams and/or fantasies take me there everyday.

But, more seriously, my nightmare about golf architecture is simply the game getting too expensive, especially some of the great venues of the world.

My pleasant dreams involve casual rounds with friends rather than some celebrity encounter.
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Doug Wright

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Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2002, 05:59:33 PM »
Darren,

Not so much dreams or nightmares but certainly I'm thinking GCA threads and posts when I'm awake in the middle of the night and should otherwise be sleeping. Better than counting sheep... ;)

Don't expect TE Paul to post on this thread. He never has dreams or nightmares because he never sleeps--he's on this site 24/7.

All The Best,
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ian

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2002, 06:37:38 PM »
Darren,

I stick to Tiger's girlfriend as far as golf related dreams go. ;)
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Mike Benham

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Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2002, 07:21:28 PM »
What is more horrifying, dreams about GCA or someone who watched the SECOND HALF of Caddyshack II ... ???
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John_D._Bernhardt

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2002, 08:15:57 PM »
Darren Animal House is coming on right now on of all the the essence channel.
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Dan King

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Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2002, 08:27:28 PM »
I've never had a dream about Pete Rose, and even assuming I ever did I sure as hell wouldn't post the fact on an Internet website.  P.J. O'Rourke now and then, but never Pete Rose.

My golf dreams run more along the lines of John Updike's:
"The golfer is so habituated to humiliation that his dreaming mind never offers any protest of implausibility. Whereas dream life, we are told, is a therapeutic caricature, seamy side out, of real life, dream gold is simply golf played on another course. We chip from glass tables onto moving staircases; we swing in a straightjacket, through masses of cobweb, and awake not with any sense of unjust hazard but only with a regret that the round can never be completed, and that one of our phantasmal companions has kept the scorecard in his pocket."
 --John Updike (Golf Dreams, 4-5)
 
 Try and read this before bed and not dream about impossible courses.
 
 Dan King
 
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"Golf is the cruelest of sports. Like life, it's unfair. It's a harlot. A trollop. It leads you on. It never lives up to it's promises... It's a boulevard of broken dreams. It plays with men. And runs off with the butcher."
 --Jim Murray
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Mike Hendren

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2002, 09:27:58 AM »
I haven't had dreams, but rarely do I play a round anymore without wondering what TEPaul would think about some architectural feature and how Patrick Mucci would disagree with him :)


Regards,

Mike
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redanman

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2002, 08:55:44 AM »
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My Little GCA Leipshuns:


b.t.w.  Liebchen  (Ger.)


Perousing some old ones I have missed....

I remember an article in Golf Digest about 15 years ago about Tour players dreaming about having shots out of telephone booths, narrow hallways in houses, having the area around shots change as you prepare to take them......

I think all golfers have these dreams.  When the ground around you changes in the dreams and the architecture becomes bizarre, it is time to lay off the mushrooms and avoid bottles labeled "Drink Me".

I have this recurring one about playing Pebble Beach and there is no one one the course (Definitely dreaming!!) and I can't go because the person I am playing with hasn't arrived and it is starting to get dark.....(The thought of a sub six hour round!)
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2002, 09:50:36 AM »
Yes, I had one of those recently, but most of my dreams are bizarre, with bits and pieces of seemingly unrelated subjects and object thrown together in a collage of meandering vignettes. Sometimes it ethereally pleasing, but mostly it is just plain wierd, giving the same sensation a child gets when entering into a carnival fun house for the very first time.

My last dream was at Pebble Beach . . . a course I've played dozens of times. It was a crystal clear late afternoon and the trees in the middle of the fairway off the 18th tee had been removed and bunkers were there in their place.

I hit a low hook that rolled through the new bunkers and settled onto a patch of fairway just short of the water. To my right was a woman I loved in another lifetime who has reappeared at my darkest moment. She was barefoot, in a long dress and a straw hat, covering her shimmering red hair.

It seemed as if this was taking place at Bali Hai with Tommy Naccarato, who was there when the reality portion of this dream came true. But Tommy was not there, although I vaguely felt his presence.    

I was paired with somebody, but could not make out their faces in the dream, nor could I identify the family wandering along the pathway waving at me . . . . .

With my fairway wood, I hit another sweeping hook that started out towards the houses and curved back, leaving a short iron. When I got to my ball, I was suddently alone and the tree was blocking my third shot.

It did not seem fair that I was in the fairway and had no shot at the green, but when I looked again, the tree was gone and a bunker was in its place.

The next part of the dream was drinking cheap champagne on the rocks below the green late at night with the girl, although that too actually happened many many years ago. . . . . but the circumstances seemed different. . . . . as if we were trying to recapture a moment simply by returning to the spot.

I never finished the hole in my dream, and sitting on the rocks she looked 21 years old again . . . . . . even as I was aware that more than two decades had gone by . . . . . .

In my dreams, I almost always awaken before there is some resolution, like turning off a movie projector just before the climax of the plot . . . . . . what does it all mean?

Renewal? Rebirth? A subconscious longing for another try at lost opportunities and decisions that were made too hastily?

Should I have layed up with an iron on #18? Would it have changed the outcome of the dream?

What is the significance of the trees? Why were they suddenly gone and what do they represent? Are the bunkers allegorical to something in life? What is my inner mind trying to tell me?

Is the redhead eternal or ephemeral?

Why do I hit the ball even lower, shorter - and with a bigger hook - in my dreams than in reality?
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2002, 05:30:58 PM »
Well, it did not take me long to kill this thread.
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jiminy dean

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2002, 11:34:34 PM »
A short serene sonnet bursting forth against the moist and dewey greensward.......................................

Below and beneath the 380-thread count sheets lay the musings of a days past, past many quaint and tiny homes littered like so many puppies against the pressing par 4 hole that thrust upward like a wondrous slip fault.

Ay, the very soul of Tom Paul was there, as was, quite mysteriously, Auntie Em.  She called out "Jiminy, come to supper, your footjoys are getting cold!".  I quietly slipped out of the barn, wiped the evidence from my hands and sat down for supper.

At that moment, the spirit of Nathaniel Crosby wafted down from the Hampton Bay ceiling fan murmuring "Buy Tony Penna, buy Tony Penna".  Only I had recently purchased a shiny new set of muscle-back Lynx.  Then, as if by providence, the rain stopped and the sun beckoned me to quickly finish the meal, run outside, put my clothes back on and then run, like a flash, to the golf course.  

Once there it happened.  Yes, the thing that so many dreams are made of, the very detritus of everything that we have cast off of ourselves from that very Forrest Richardsonian hunter-gatherer era.  From before the time that architects didn't blow their own horns.  Yes, it was truly primeval.

I saw what can only be described as a vision.  A beautiful, flowing exciting vision in black ray-bans.  Wearing nothing but a plaid kilt, said ray-bans and brandishing a Wilson 8802 putter and nothing else.  A very blond vision this, standing next to a well-defined wealthy player wearing a red shirt with two dozen emblematic SWOOOOOOOOSHES.  Yet, the blond vision stood out.  So to speak.

She came to me.  She held out the putter as though it was a laurel of peace and well-being from the other side.  The side that only flies in G-IV's with cold Michelob on tap and an even smaller minaret of a tap dancer prancing about the single aisle like Allie McBeal's computerized baby; dancing steps, not unlike a miniaturized Fred Astaire bebopping out for an eveing with Cary Grant and Rock Hudson.

She whispered the secret into my very right ear.  She said "I know you want to know, Everybody wants to know" as I paused to gather my belt.  Then, continuing "He wants me to tell somebody in case he never has the chance, in case Ken Bowden wants to charge too much for the ghost-writing".

Well, this really had me going.  In many, many ways.  Then it came out "He doesn't really hit all of those shots himself".  That's what she said.  I stood back, amazed and flabberghasted.  "What do you mean?" I shot back incredulously.  "Just what I said, it isn't ALWAYS him, sometimes it's Butchie".  I was confused.  "What do you mean, I mean, can he just throw his swing like that guy with Madame throws his voice?"  She said "well, yes, something like that.  I think he learned how from spending all that time with David Copperfield and that freaky Blaine guy, you know, the one in the big ice cube?"

Ah, yes, but of course.  That explains it.  HE HAS HELP.  Nobody can be that good all by themselves.  Now I feel much better.  Now JWL's boss can feel better.  Peace is restored to the uber-universe of the golf legends.  Sam, Ben, Bobby, they can all rest peacefully in their Jakabean resting places.  For you see,  smoke and mirrors will never outwit steel and persimmon.
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2002, 11:43:38 PM »
jiminy dean,

Any monkey can conjure up a bunch of bullshit.

If you are going to try and be funny, it is best not to get lost in your own meanderings.
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Steve Curry

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Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2002, 06:32:17 AM »
I hate to admit this but due to JakaB's stupid thread the other day I dreamt about running the medical tent at my golf course.  Giving first aid to disintegrating bodies, hey but I lived through a nuclear blast till I woke up, which is nice! ::)

Steve
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JakaB

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2002, 08:17:05 AM »
Stephan,

I'm glad to hear that...because the Nuclear Winter thread has been haunting me also...the other day I drove into the city looking for a bright flash in the distance just far enough away that I would survive the initial devestation..I am now convinced that if and when it happens...either I or someone from this thread will find their way to the course or at least see an old set of clubs in the basement and think about the time on GCA this was just dismissed as sick musings of a confused mind...and I'm not even dreaming.
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Michael Moore

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Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2003, 04:29:42 AM »
Last night I dreamed that there was a GCA outing in my hometown of Portland, Maine, or so I thought . . .

I was having a grand time showing everyone around the clubhouse and chatting with people on the range. The course in question was too vague to identify.

Suddenly, the group, now including my girlfriend, was on a bus to Nova Scotia. OK, I thought, I can handle a trip to Highland Links. Then it was pointed out to me that we were just going to the airport and ultimately headed to Tonga. I was not terribly pleased about that. I took the bus home from Halifax.

Ultimately I believe this dream pertains to my general lack of enthusiasm for travel vs. my girlfriend's love of traveling.
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Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Mike_Cirba

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2003, 06:07:36 AM »
Michael;

Or does it mean that you're more than willing to travel for golf, but less so for...oh, nevermind! ;)

Anyone know any good courses in Tonga?  
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redanman

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2003, 06:23:21 AM »
It is still L  E  I  B  C  H  E  N  S  You bloody quack.  
Meine kleine GCA liebchens......

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My Little GCA Leipshuns:


Glad to see this thread again.

I dreamed I was in Hell once.  There was only one course.  It was soooooo green and the greens were at 22.   All the holes were tree-lined or framed.  There were 36 waterfalls.  Every par 4 was Driver 3-wood, except for the pros who played there and they all hit stinger 2-iron, lob wedge, except on the par 5's where they hit Driver lob wedge.  Every par 3 was 200 yards plus over water.

The only music on the radio and on CD in Best Buy was the Masters theme music; the news was read by Jim Nantz.  The only golf clothes available were Nike red shits and black pants.  Only nike golf equipment was available. AND Nike balls.

They made you play 54 holes a day.

Buuuut, the bad news was that the golf course was getting ready for "Modernization".   :o
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Michael Moore

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Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2003, 06:31:10 AM »
Mike -

No, I think we must look at dreams not literally but as a reflection of the emotional state of the dreamer.

Otherwise I would have to confront the fact that I am afraid that my sweetie will run off to the islands with . . .

Tony Ristola????

and . . .

Huckaby???

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
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Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

THuckaby2

Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2003, 06:54:06 AM »
;D ;D ;D ;D

Now you know Michael, I am quite the chick magnet.  Best to keep your sweetie far away from me...  ;) ;)

So what about golf in Maine?

TH
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Michael Moore

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Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2003, 06:59:35 AM »
Tom -

Several members of this discussion board who are passing through Maine this summer have contacted me for a game.

There is great interest in Cape Arundel. I say if it's good enough for the President, it's good enough for you lot!! Come on down and I'll show you around.

Most courses here are STILL CLOSED!!!
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: Dreams (or nightmares) about GCA?
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2003, 07:19:22 AM »
Gib.

You forget to mention that throughout, you could hear a Glenn Gould likeness playing the first Goldberg Variation.
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