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ward peyronnin

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2023, 02:53:37 PM »
I really endorse what Whitty had to say.
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Peter Sayegh

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2023, 04:34:41 PM »
"What did you think of the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2023, 06:43:28 PM »
If people lack humility, they let their ego determine their experience. That can translate to an improper rating.
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Paul Rudovsky

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2023, 08:25:37 PM »

Are you saying that you rate courses you like higher than ones you don’t like?

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As I understand your question the answer is an absolute yes...I think anyone considers the course they like  to be better than the courses they don't like.  But that is not the point I am trying to make.  My point is that I find that I play better on courses I like...because I am more interested in the round...my senses are more aware.  So I hav difficulty determining what is cause and what is then effect.  Good courses cause me to play better...I do NOT rate a course higher because I score better on it.  But if I like it I will play better because I am more attentive.  Note that there isa not always a direct correlation between quality of play and score...there are such things as good luck and bad luck that can affect scoring

Jerry Kluger

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2023, 10:26:02 PM »
Tom suggests that a rater should play a course more than once in order to fairly evaluate it.  I must say I have never gotten the impression from any course that I was rating that the course would be receptive to my playing it more than once. I am not faulting the course as they have other considerations such as member play, etc., so I just appreciate the opportunity to play the course and hope that I can fairly evaluate it based upon that one time.

Sean_A

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2023, 03:10:06 AM »
Tom suggests that a rater should play a course more than once in order to fairly evaluate it.  I must say I have never gotten the impression from any course that I was rating that the course would be receptive to my playing it more than once. I am not faulting the course as they have other considerations such as member play, etc., so I just appreciate the opportunity to play the course and hope that I can fairly evaluate it based upon that one time.

Why would a club say you can only play once?

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Tim Martin

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2023, 05:54:30 AM »
Tom suggests that a rater should play a course more than once in order to fairly evaluate it.  I must say I have never gotten the impression from any course that I was rating that the course would be receptive to my playing it more than once. I am not faulting the course as they have other considerations such as member play, etc., so I just appreciate the opportunity to play the course and hope that I can fairly evaluate it based upon that one time.

Why would a club say you can only play once?

Ciao


Sean-Are you aware of private clubs telling course raters to come back for repeat play?

Sean_A

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2023, 06:45:18 AM »
Tom suggests that a rater should play a course more than once in order to fairly evaluate it.  I must say I have never gotten the impression from any course that I was rating that the course would be receptive to my playing it more than once. I am not faulting the course as they have other considerations such as member play, etc., so I just appreciate the opportunity to play the course and hope that I can fairly evaluate it based upon that one time.

Why would a club say you can only play once?

Ciao


Sean-Are you aware of private clubs telling course raters to come back for repeat play?


No, but I am also not aware of a private club saying a rater isn’t welcome as a guest of a member or by paying the green fee if visitors are permitted.


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Tim Gavrich

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2023, 08:47:29 AM »
If it was affirmatively the case that people tend to dock courses they've played poorly when it comes time to rate them, we probably wouldn't have had decades of ratings where course difficulty and ranking was so positively correlated, right?
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Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Poor Play and Rating
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2023, 05:39:07 PM »
If it was affirmatively the case that people tend to dock courses they've played poorly when it comes time to rate them, we probably wouldn't have had decades of ratings where course difficulty and ranking was so positively correlated, right?

The most obvious correlation seems to be perigee. Most of the new and interesting courses I see on these lists are at their respective new, minimalist golf resorts, which as I understand, tend to be less punishing (but I may be wrong about that).

There’s an argument that the newer, non-cannonical courses are what should guide this assessment, and I’d say that argument would lend itself to the proposition at hand.

That said, you’re argument is compelling if we don’t automatically conflate regular tournament locations and historic clubs with a sort of golf cannon.
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