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Tommy Williamsen

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Unless someone shoots 60, you realize that if you lose, you create a history no one wants.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

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John Kavanaugh

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2023, 01:07:50 PM »
Rory was six back last year. Lucky for the loser it’s a history no one will remember.

Jim O’Kane

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2023, 02:21:00 PM »
Whatever is lurking in the depths of your brain now has a better chance to fester and manifest in a rain delay.

Funny, I live 1.5 miles due SE and not a drop of rain. I look on TV and it looks like rainy season in Panama.

Without looking at the radar, I'd assume this will  be a short delay and likely an isolated shower.


jeffwarne

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2023, 02:54:34 PM »
Unless someone shoots 60, you realize that if you lose, you create a history no one wants.


None of them are thinking that way BEFORE the round.
Which is why they are different than us.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2023, 03:17:18 PM »
Without the fed-ex handicap system for this tournament Hovland would be tied with Morikawa and one ahead of Schauffele through the end of round three.


Greg Norman and Arnold Palmer come to mind in majors.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2023, 03:31:31 PM by Pete_Pittock »

David_Tepper

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Tommy Williamsen

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Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Marty Bonnar

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2023, 04:47:24 PM »
How does a six shot lead influence your interaction with the ARCHITECTURE?
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Thomas Dai

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2023, 05:39:32 PM »
Ah pressure.
A few quotes and the like come to mind. Didn’t Lee Trevino say something about pressure being when you’re playing for $5 but you’ve only got $1 in your pocket? Another I recall is something like “Even if I finish second I’ll still have steak for dinner.”
My favourite though is Australian cricketer Keith Miller, who’d been a pilot in WW2. When asked about the pressure of playing cricket for Australia he replied along the lines of “Representing your country isn’t pressure, it’s pleasure. Pressures when you’ve got a Messerschmitt up your arse.”
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2023, 05:43:58 PM »
So Schauffele shoots 30 and only gains a stroke.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2023, 07:24:38 PM »
And Hovland wins!!! Finishing -17 for 4 days and forgetting about the bonus gift. !!!

-27 wins on the Tournament Rules !!!
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2023, 07:38:32 PM »
Unless someone shoots 60, you realize that if you lose, you create a history no one wants.


None of them are thinking that way BEFORE the round.
Which is why they are different than us.


Bingo.


Great athletes in any sport don’t think that way.  It’s one of the reasons they’re great.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Pete_Pittock

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2023, 08:15:19 PM »
And Hovland wins!!! Finishing -17 for 4 days and forgetting about the bonus gift. !!!

-27 wins on the Tournament Rules !!!


Xander also shot -17 for 4 days. "Loses" in "scorecard playoff" ;)

Peter Flory

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2023, 09:30:27 PM »
I think that most of these guys are somewhat immune to feeling the type of nerves that would make them play worse.  They do this every week and have been in competitive golf since they were children. 

Mike_Clayton

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2023, 09:56:21 PM »
How many fewer millions do you make if you blow the 6-shot lead?

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2023, 11:45:57 PM »
 2023 Tour Championship prize money, purse   Purse: $57.9 million
     1st — $18,000,000 — Viktor Hovland
 2nd — $6,500,000 — Xander Schauffele
 3rd — $5,000,000 — Wyndham Clark
 4th — $4,000,000 — Rory McIlroy
 5th — $3,000,000 — Patrick Cantlay
 6th — $2,500,000 — Tommy Fleetwood, Scottie Scheffler, Collin Morikawa ($2,000,000 each)
 7th — $2,000,000
 8th — $1,500,00
 9th — $1,250,000 — Sam Burns, Matt Fitzpatrick, Max Homa, Adam Schenk, Keegan Bradley ($990,000 each)
 10th — $1,000,000
 11th — $950,000
 12th — $900,000
 13th — $850,000
 14th — $800,000 — Russell Henley, Sepp Straka ($780,000 each)
 15th — $760,000
 16th — $720,000 — Rickie Fowler, Tyrrell Hatton ($710,000 each)
 17th — $700,000
 18th — $680,000 — Jon Rahm, Lucas Glover ($670,000 each)
 19th — $660,000
 20th — $640,000 — Tom Kim, Si Woo Kim, Tony Finau ($620,000 each)
 21st — $620,000
 22nd — $600,000
 23rd — $580,000 — Brian Harman
 24th — $565,000 — Sungjae Im
 25th — $550,000 — Nick Taylor
 26th — $540,000 — Corey Conners
 27th — $530,000 — Jordan Spieth
 28th — $520,000 — Jason Day
 29th — $510,000 — Emiliano Grillo, Taylor Moore ($505,000 each)
 30th — $500,000
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Mike_Clayton

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2023, 12:10:01 AM »
So if you blow it you still make more than Jack Nicklaus' entire career earnings?!
Inflation I know but still ......

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2023, 12:15:02 AM »
"The times, they are a changing......" Bob Dylan
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

cary lichtenstein

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2023, 12:47:50 AM »
Wow, such negativity on this thread.


Let me give you my take on this:
1. I've been watching Victor Hovland this entire year and I'm incredibly impressed with his power and ball striking, looks to me like a genuine superstar possibility
2. His 61 last week, finiishing the back nine with a 28 was an epic come from behind victory
3. So yes, starting today, I asssumed if he shot 70, he would be the clear winner
4. But the front nine birdie fest, 30 to 31 was, "OMG, I don't ever thing I witnessed this before
5. When the birdies kept going in and the lead was down to 3 with 5 holes to play, to me the turning point, a possible meltdown coming?
6. Then Hovland turns it back on and wins by 5 with the final scores 62 and 63.
7. All the while, $18 million is at stake, no one ever won that much in a golf tournament and that had to be a pressure from the get go of the whole FedeX Cup
8. It reminded me of the Watson/Nicklaus 65/66 British Open of 1977 and the Nicklaus/Trevino 1971 British Open.
9. Of course, the 2 above were for Majors and this was merely a meaningless FedeX Cup, but somehow my mind tricked me into loving this. Call me Shallow Cary and I'll take it as a compliment
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Rick Sides

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2023, 07:53:23 AM »
I was thinking a lot about the pro game this week. Went to watch the Korn Ferry  Tour in Jersey last week and saw so many talented golfers . Some of which use to compete at a high level on the PGA tour . Many of these guys have all the talent to play PGA but I’m convinced it’s the ones who can handle nerves best that make it and thrive . Hovland is cool as a can be. Same affect after each shot good or bad . He’s gonna continue to play amazing

Rob Marshall

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2023, 08:38:42 AM »
I think that most of these guys are somewhat immune to feeling the type of nerves that would make them play worse.  They do this every week and have been in competitive golf since they were children.


I always wanted to ask a major champion a question about nerves. I was walking alone with Graeme McDowell during a practice round at the 2013 PGA. He had won the Open at Pebble. I had played Pebble and wanted to know what he felt standing on the 18th tee with a one shot lead. I had the opportunity and choked. Didn't ask. Still mad at myself.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Pete_Pittock

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2023, 02:55:38 PM »
Victor Hovland has won more than twice as much money in the last two weeks in comparison with the LIV money leader winnings in all of 2023. Just sayin'.

Rob Marshall

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2023, 02:57:03 PM »
Victor Hovland has won more than twice as much money in the last two weeks in comparison with the LIV money leader winnings in all of 2023. Just sayin'.


You would need to add the up front money they received wouldn't you?
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Jim Hoak

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2023, 05:28:46 PM »
Jon Rahm has criticized people for too much emphasis on the money portion of the Tour.  And I have the same feeling reading these posts.  I thought we were about Golf Course Architecture and Design.  Let's stick to that.  There are other places to chat about Tour happenings.
Sure, money is important, but all of these leading guys are doing fine.  And they are truthfully more about the prestige of winning, not the money as such. 
Rahm is correct that people are focusing on the wrong thing.



Kalen Braley

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Re: How much pressure is there for a player with a six shot lead?
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2023, 05:48:45 PM »
Jon Rahm has criticized people for too much emphasis on the money portion of the Tour.  And I have the same feeling reading these posts.  I thought we were about Golf Course Architecture and Design.  Let's stick to that.  There are other places to chat about Tour happenings.
Sure, money is important, but all of these leading guys are doing fine.  And they are truthfully more about the prestige of winning, not the money as such. 
Rahm is correct that people are focusing on the wrong thing.


While I agree with Rahm in concept...Its a helluva lot easier to say its not about the money when in his case he's already made north of $75 million in his career between TOUR paychecks and endorsements.