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Thomas Dai

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Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« on: June 17, 2023, 02:56:25 AM »
A question posed to me that I'm passing on ...... many golf clubs have large sometimes huge masts and flagpoles usually alongside the clubhouse. Is there some kind of historical reason or precedent?
atb

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2023, 05:49:48 PM »
Dai,
Ours is mostly used to honour a recently passed elderly member. Unfortunately, the flag seems to be flying at half-mast every single week these days. Memberships really are getting more and more aged every year!
F.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2023, 05:52:39 PM »
I don’t know if there is a correlation, but churches began putting flags in their churches during and after both World Wars. They were times of great patriotism.
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Carl Johnson

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2023, 12:57:37 PM »
My story.  We have two poles, side by side, in front of my club -- on the right (clubhouse's right, left as you face the clubhouse) is the American flag and on the left is our state flag.  They are left up 24/7 and become worn out in about 10 months.  Our club manager didn't seem to care, nor did anyone else, so I started buying replacements myself and changing them out.  (It just seemed to me that if you were going to have flags, they shouldn't be ratty looking -- just my personal preference, I know.)  After a while the club started reimbursing me for the cost of the new flags.  Now we have a new manager, the flags look a little worn, but I've washed my hands of the project.


Another issue had to do with the height of the flags.  The poles are of equal height.  According to the US flag code (not a law, as such), when you have two side by side poles of equal height, the US flag and the adjacent other flag may both be raised to the top of the pole, with the US flag being on the right (as ours is). 4 U.S.C. Ch. 1, Sec. 7, para. (c).  Another member, who knew because he had "been in the army", claimed the other flag had to be lower than the US flag, even when properly set left and right.  So, he would lower the other flag down about a foot.  After a while I'd put it back.  Then he'd put it down again.  Sort of a game.  He's no longer a member for unrelated reasons, and as I said above, I've tired of the flag game.


There are several more stories about our flags I'll withhold for future excitement. 
« Last Edit: June 18, 2023, 10:08:34 PM by Carl Johnson »

Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2023, 07:10:45 PM »
A question posed to me that I'm passing on ...... many golf clubs have large sometimes huge masts and flagpoles usually alongside the clubhouse. Is there some kind of historical reason or precedent?
atb


If I ever ran a club I’d do this just as a passive wind gauge for players so they could see something measurable from the course
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Carl Johnson

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2023, 10:11:33 PM »
A question posed to me that I'm passing on ...... many golf clubs have large sometimes huge masts and flagpoles usually alongside the clubhouse. Is there some kind of historical reason or precedent?
atb


If I ever ran a club I’d do this just as a passive wind gauge for players so they could see something measurable from the course


In fact, as I could have mentioned, our 9th is a par three playing straight into the front of club house, so our two flags do give you a good wind read on your no. 9 tee shot when the wind is up.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2023, 01:57:49 AM »
We have a huge ship’s mast. There is a significance but can’t recall what (will find out).


We fly the club crest when there is a competition on. No flag flying = no competition.

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2023, 03:21:15 AM »
Whenever a player from overseas plays at Victoria GC in Melbourne (The home club of Geoff Ogilvy and Peter Thomson) the club fly the national flag of the visitor.

Sean_A

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2023, 03:30:45 AM »
Whenever a player from overseas plays at Victoria GC in Melbourne (The home club of Geoff Ogilvy and Peter Thomson) the club fly the national flag of the visitor.

Burnham does this sometimes.

But I have no idea why we have flags. In the US I figure it's patriotic. Flags are everywhere.

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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2023, 12:43:00 PM »
You can see our flagpole from almost every point on the course and it's a fantastic guide to determine wind direction.


People gotta stop dying so much as the whole half-mast things really screws up play on-course.... ;D ;D


Ours is next to the putting green which bleeds right into first tee beautifully.
Tee box runs a solid 8!

Tim Martin

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2023, 02:15:41 PM »
[quote author=Ian Mackenzie link=topic=72015.msg1731828#msg1731828 date=1687192980

People gotta stop dying so much as the whole half-mast things really screws up play on-course.... ;D ;D

 ;D

Kalen Braley

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM »
Flag waving is fully embedded into American culture and norms.  Nearly every structure of size will have one and I see it more and more on trucks and boats as well..

Even got a few neighbors with 20 foot flagpoles in their front yard...

Padraig Dooley

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2023, 05:31:06 PM »
Whenever a player from overseas plays at Victoria GC in Melbourne (The home club of Geoff Ogilvy and Peter Thomson) the club fly the national flag of the visitor.
The day we played Victoria in 2016, myself and my Canadian friend were very impressed to see the Irish Tricolour and Canadian Maple leaf flying. It was really nice to see a gesture like that.
The Cal Club did the same when I played a few years prior to that, I mentioned to our host when we got to the 10th tee that the Tricolour was flying, he said that's for you guys! We also were extremely impressed!
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David_Tepper

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2023, 06:23:02 PM »
Royal Dornoch has a stand of 5 flagpoles beside the 1st tee. The middle flagpole is the tallest and flies the club's flag. The other 4 flags typically represent the countries of members and visitors who will be playing the course on any given day.


Photo here: https://royaldornoch.com/royal-dornoch-intern
« Last Edit: June 19, 2023, 06:26:14 PM by David_Tepper »

JohnVDB

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2023, 09:49:36 PM »
Following up on David’s post about Dornoch, the US flag and the Scottish Saltire are almost always flown along with others for visitors or members. 


The only time I’ve ever seen the English flag flown was during the Coronation weekend.  Since the club is a Royal club, it was expected, but a lot of locals weren’t real happy about it.

mike_malone

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2023, 10:01:31 PM »
I was at Hoylake the week after the Queen’s death and the Royal flag was waving along with the club flag. Those masts are impressive. Maybe a Brit can explain it.
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Niall C

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2023, 05:20:00 AM »
Following up on David’s post about Dornoch, the US flag and the Scottish Saltire are almost always flown along with others for visitors or members. 


The only time I’ve ever seen the English flag flown was during the Coronation weekend.  Since the club is a Royal club, it was expected, but a lot of locals weren’t real happy about it.


Not sure why the English flag would be flying in particular. I'd have thought it more appropriate to fly the Union Jack.


Niall

Niall C

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Re: Golf Clubs, masts and flagpoles
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2023, 05:21:42 AM »
Whenever a player from overseas plays at Victoria GC in Melbourne (The home club of Geoff Ogilvy and Peter Thomson) the club fly the national flag of the visitor.
The day we played Victoria in 2016, myself and my Canadian friend were very impressed to see the Irish Tricolour and Canadian Maple leaf flying. It was really nice to see a gesture like that.
The Cal Club did the same when I played a few years prior to that, I mentioned to our host when we got to the 10th tee that the Tricolour was flying, he said that's for you guys! We also were extremely impressed!


My friends and I got the same treatment when playing at the Cal Club. Overall I'd say that the Cal Club is easily the friendliest and most welcoming place I've ever played.


Niall

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