PGA to merge with LIV

[Jason Hines]

I wish everyone would calm down and wait for the details of the agreement to come out before they make judgments.

Sorry Jim - No can do.  Instead we are going to drag domestic politics into this, turn up our noses and sneer at what a bunch of peasants each other's countries have become, etc.


In the end, just watch the Major tournaments that are not formally associated with the PGA or DP tours.

[George Pazin]

I wish everyone would calm down and wait for the details of the agreement to come out before they make judgments.

Sorry Jim - No can do.  Instead we are going to drag domestic politics into this, turn up our noses and sneer at what a bunch of peasants each other's countries have become, etc.


In the end, just watch the Major tournaments that are not formally associated with the PGA or DP tours.

   That's pretty much what I do. Thanks for that, Jason, I hope you're well.

[Anthony Butler]

As far as the shot at being "newsmax" - facts are just facts .. they might suck for you, but if you don't think his family is a mob, I don't know what to tell ya .. maybe the sky isn't blue ..

As the great Senator from New York, Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said: "You're entitled to your own opinion, not to your own facts..."

To that point, considering the events of the last 24 hours,  your post about the Biden 'crime family' aged about as well raw hamburger left out on a South Florida summer day...

[Cliff Hamm]

I don’t believe this has been posted.


https://www.si.com/golf/news/jimmy-dunne-the-architect-of-the-pga-tour-liv-golf-deal-lays-out-the-details

[Mike Wagner]

As far as the shot at being "newsmax" - facts are just facts .. they might suck for you, but if you don't think his family is a mob, I don't know what to tell ya .. maybe the sky isn't blue ..

As the great Senator from New York, Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said: "You're entitled to your own opinion, not to your own facts..."

To that point, considering the events of the last 24 hours,  your post about the Biden 'crime family' aged about as well raw hamburger left out on a South Florida summer day...

Believe what you want, Anthony .. I wish you well.

[David Harshbarger]

I don’t believe this has been posted.


https://www.si.com/golf/news/jimmy-dunne-the-architect-of-the-pga-tour-liv-golf-deal-lays-out-the-details

Best and most succinct explanation I’ve seen to date on what just transpired.


The LIV guys are not going to like how this ends up.

[cary lichtenstein]

I still think the PGA Tour Players will bargain collectively for their pound of flesh

[Kalen Braley]

I still think the PGA Tour Players will bargain collectively for their pound of flesh

Cary,

While I'd like to think that, most of the players (the non big names) effectively have no bargaining power.  And the suits will talk the game for awhile but at the end of the day I suspect they'll be told to accept it or go pound sand if they don't like it....  especially now that they really have nowhere else to go.

[Rob Marshall]

George, you can wait and be as moderate as you wish. That will not change the fact that the Saudi's are human rights violators and murderous thugs.   The PGA has no spine.

If you are dialing things up. Sounds similar to past US behaviour. People in glass houses....

Ciao

Yes and thanks to the UK for allowing the Lockerbie bomber to to go back home to a heroes welcome for killing college students and others flying home from  a semester abroad. Talk about glass houses. Pretty sure we have all made mistakes.

[David Cronan]

Well this is certainly an interesting take, courtesy of Bryson DeChambeau: In light of this new proposed arrangement, Bryson believes that "9/11 families should forgive Saudi Arabia..... because nobody is perfect."


He also calls the killing of Jamal Khashoggi "unfortunate."


https://www.foxnews.com/sports/liv-golfs-bryson-dechambeau-suggests-9/11-families-should-forgive-saudi-arabia-nobodys-perfect

[Carl Rogers]

The LIV Golfers should donate all their upfront $ to first tee & junior golf programs as their price get back to the Tour.

[Thomas Dai]

Watching the presentation at the end of the Champions League Final was a reminder that in sports the players may play but just like in golf it’s the folks wearing the suits and blazers or the equivalent who hand over the prizes and ultimately the money.
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[John Kavanaugh]

This is freeing up Harry Higgs. Takes the villain monkey off his back. Just picked him up at +250 to finish top 40 this week in Canadian Open.

Not everything on this thread is jibberish.

[Craig Sweet]

Seems to me the big winner is Greg Norman. He got the world tour he always wanted.

[Ken Moum]

This is freeing up Harry Higgs. Takes the villain monkey off his back. Just picked him up at +250 to finish top 40 this week in Canadian Open.

T2 baby...


Not everything on this thread is jibberish.

[Tim Leahy]

Well this is certainly an interesting take, courtesy of Bryson DeChambeau: In light of this new proposed arrangement, Bryson believes that "9/11 families should forgive Saudi Arabia..... because nobody is perfect."


He also calls the killing of Jamal Khashoggi "unfortunate."


https://www.foxnews.com/sports/liv-golfs-bryson-dechambeau-suggests-9/11-families-should-forgive-saudi-arabia-nobodys-perfect

Bryson is from Fresno. He lived a good part of his life downwind from manure and pesticides.

[Thomas Dai]

The background to the oil industry and golf in Saudi Arabia is worth pondering. Here’s a tidbit courtesy of Aramco - https://www.aramcolife.com/en/publications/the-arabian-sun/articles/2021/week-06/golf-history
Interesting history Aramco, ie once formally titled the Arabian-American Oil Company, going all the way back to Standard Oil and the California-Arabian Oil Co in the 1920’s/30’ and a cast of various characters over the decades including the likes of Esso, Texaco, Chevron, Mobil and no doubt a few governments, politicians and deal makers etc.
Wheels turn in circles?
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[Erik J. Barzeski]

Seems to me the big winner is Greg Norman. He got the world tour he always wanted.

How do you figure? There's still the PGA Tour, and the DPWT. The PGA Tour isn't going to suddenly travel across the globe holding events.

I see Greg as, yet again, a loser in this. He wasn't even told of this until literally moments before everyone else learned about it.

[Bruce Katona]

Frankly, I think the combination of The PGA Tour, DP Tour & LIV will bring professional golf to something akin to what now occurs in World Football (soccer).  There will be Tour swings of the combined Tours that will be in Europe, North America & Australia where citizens of these countries will get to see the best golfers in the world compete.


The Tour competition, outside the The Majors, may be stroke play, it may be match play, it may be team play (four ball, foursome's, or scramble) or a combination of all; which grows the game.  The younger generation like to play golf to music, enjoy watching & playing in team events and perceived fun & interaction with the players & fans.


PS: The purses for the participants will be significantly higher as well.

[Jim_Coleman]

    What does ”grows the game” actually mean? More money for the pros? More amateurs playing the game? More golf courses being built?  I think it’s just a nice sounding phrase with no real meaning.

[Erik J. Barzeski]

More money for the pros?

When Jay, LIV, PGA Tour players say it… this. Unfortunately.

More amateurs playing the game? More golf courses being built?

When we say it, generally… this.

[Tom Bacsanyi]

As an aside, I'll take this opportunity to plug The Prize by Yergin as an amazing read, covering much of what's mentioned below.

The background to the oil industry and golf in Saudi Arabia is worth pondering. Here’s a tidbit courtesy of Aramco - https://www.aramcolife.com/en/publications/the-arabian-sun/articles/2021/week-06/golf-history
Interesting history Aramco, ie once formally titled the Arabian-American Oil Company, going all the way back to Standard Oil and the California-Arabian Oil Co in the 1920’s/30’ and a cast of various characters over the decades including the likes of Esso, Texaco, Chevron, Mobil and no doubt a few governments, politicians and deal makers etc.
Wheels turn in circles?
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[Wayne_Kozun]

I'm curious with all your anti-Trump posts ... how do you feel about the current president that has a very difficult time actually completing a sentence, a thought, or keeping his balance, and has taken money from our enemies for himself and his family?

On the other side of the pond we read nonsense like this and wonder how on Earth a once great democracy has fallen so far.

Haven't the Saudis bought up more of Europe, especially the UK and big chunks of London.  Plus Newcastle FC.

[Brian_Ewen]

Yes and thanks to the UK for allowing the Lockerbie bomber to to go back home to a heroes welcome for killing college students and others flying home from  a semester abroad. Talk about glass houses. Pretty sure we have all made mistakes.

Not the UK, but Scotland.

[Brian_Ewen]

Frankly, I think the combination of The PGA Tour, DP Tour & LIV will bring professional golf to something akin to what now occurs in World Football (soccer). 

More like the NFL, MLB, NBA.


American based with a once a year jolly overseas.