Andrew Green

[Steve Lapper]

In summary, I think he is the "leader of the pack" of the generation that is following Coore/Crenshaw/Doak/ Hanse (listed in alpha order).





 Although I agree with the premise that Andrew Green's work on the courses you've mentioned is truly superb, your "leader of the pack" comment is far from accurate and mostly absurd.


 Work by the likes of Brian Schneider, Mike DeVries, King & Collins, Kye Goalby, Jackson & Kahn, Kyle Franz, Beau Welling, Keith Rhebb, Riley Johns, etc., Mike's Nuzzo and Young are all equal to the caliber and quality of Andrew Green. The golf architecture world is lucky to have such talent-laden group of successors to rely on. Perhaps you ought to find a way to examine more closely the work these folks are presenting than simply doing a "hit and run" along your way to next box on the spreadsheet?


 

[Ian Mackenzie]

Our family was at Tryall Club in Jamaica a few years ago.
Thought he did an amazing job there.


That's the time that I showed up on a Sunday am looking to play golf and there was PGA Lain America Tour event that I was not aware of.


So, I entered as an amateur and teed off at the Jamaican Open....;-)...with 30 minutes notice.
My playing partners were Brad Arrington and Mike Herrera and they joined us for dinner that night.

[Tim Martin]

Our family was at Tryall Club in Jamaica a few years ago.
Thought he did an amazing job there.


That's the time that I showed up on a Sunday am looking to play golf and there was PGA Lain America Tour event that I was not aware of.


So, I entered as an amateur and teed off at the Jamaican Open....;-)...with 30 minutes notice.
My playing partners were Brad Arrington and Mike Herrera and they joined us for dinner that night.

I don’t ever remember you mentioning that before.   That’s when you waved at all the putts because you didn’t want to hold anybody up right?

[James Brown]

The U.S. Naval Academy Course was an amazing renovation.  The green complexes are really interesting and very bold in places.  Used several very harsh false fronts.

[V_Halyard]

In summary, I think he is the "leader of the pack" of the generation that is following Coore/Crenshaw/Doak/ Hanse (listed in alpha order).

I like what I have seen of his rework.  Where I become confused with so many on this site is how this type of work is compared with Doak, Coore,Hanse etc.  Reworking an existing vs. routing your own are two entirely different exercises...can you explain?

Mike Young: Valid point.
You're taunting...
but you're still right. 

[V_Halyard]

In summary, I think he is the "leader of the pack" of the generation that is following Coore/Crenshaw/Doak/ Hanse (listed in alpha order).


Although I agree with the premise that Andrew Green's work on the courses you've mentioned is truly superb, your "leader of the pack" comment is far from accurate and mostly absurd.

Work by the likes of Brian Schneider, Mike DeVries, King & Collins, Kye Goalby, Jackson & Kahn, Kyle Franz, Beau Welling, Keith Rhebb, Riley Johns, etc., Mike's Nuzzo and Young are all equal to the caliber and quality of Andrew Green. The golf architecture world is lucky to have such talent-laden group of successors to rely on. Perhaps you ought to find a way to examine more closely the work these folks are presenting than simply doing a "hit and run" along your way to next box on the spreadsheet?

Agree with Steve here. Scratch building vs. restoration present different art and engineering challenges.

[Morgan Clawson]

He is beginning work at Interlachen CC in Edina, MN this year.

[Bill Shamleffer]

I will be interviewing Andrew Green for my podcast on the History and Restoration of Oak Hill CC. I think most of you will find it fascinating because I will be walking through all of the changes that were made to Oak Hill that drifted from Ross’ original plans.


Then Andrew will discuss how he restored each hole, followed by a bit of history behind each hole.


Should be a good listen.

Listened last night.  I HIGHLY recommend this episode, and I very much look forward to the 2nd nine episode.


https://talkingolf.com/episode-102-tgh-102-the-restoration-of-oak-hill-the-front-9/

[Connor Lewis]

I will be interviewing Andrew Green for my podcast on the History and Restoration of Oak Hill CC. I think most of you will find it fascinating because I will be walking through all of the changes that were made to Oak Hill that drifted from Ross’ original plans.


Then Andrew will discuss how he restored each hole, followed by a bit of history behind each hole.


Should be a good listen.

Listened last night.  I HIGHLY recommend this episode, and I very much look forward to the 2nd nine episode.


https://talkingolf.com/episode-102-tgh-102-the-restoration-of-oak-hill-the-front-9/

Bill, happy to hear you enjoyed it. Hope to have the back nine of the Restoration of Oak Hill out next weekend. Andrew was awesome on the podcast.


Quick question for you- was it too much having me list all the changes made by RTJ and the Fazios? I felt like I just showed up and throwed up.


Connor

[John Blain]

I will be interviewing Andrew Green for my podcast on the History and Restoration of Oak Hill CC. I think most of you will find it fascinating because I will be walking through all of the changes that were made to Oak Hill that drifted from Ross’ original plans.


Then Andrew will discuss how he restored each hole, followed by a bit of history behind each hole.


Should be a good listen.

I enjoyed the podcast as well. I'm glad that the work that RTJ, Sr. did in 1955 was included. Most folks probably don't realize how much work he did on that course to get it ready for the '56 Open. His work there is an important part of the historical evolution of the course.
I played there in the fall of '21 and loved everything that was done, especially getting rid of the dreaded Fazio holes. The only thing I wish they had done was moved the 18th green back to its original position which was about 30 yards further back than the current version. It wasn't done because they wanted bleachers where the original green used to be.  It's too bad because some older members of the club have mentioned to me that it was one the best greens on the entire property.
Looking forward to listening to the 2nd part of the podcast.


Listened last night.  I HIGHLY recommend this episode, and I very much look forward to the 2nd nine episode.


https://talkingolf.com/episode-102-tgh-102-the-restoration-of-oak-hill-the-front-9/

Bill, happy to hear you enjoyed it. Hope to have the back nine of the Restoration of Oak Hill out next weekend. Andrew was awesome on the podcast.


Quick question for you- was it too much having me list all the changes made by RTJ and the Fazios? I felt like I just showed up and throwed up.


Connor

[Paul Rudovsky]

Earlier on this thread I stated my opinion that Andrew Green has become the “leader of the pack” of architects in the generation following Messrs. Coore, Doak and Hanse (yes, listed in alphabetical order).  That generated some strong responses.


[/size]This past week Golf Digest published a long article by Derek Duncan regarding Green’s restoration work at Oak Hill and the classic tracks.  In the first paragraph of that article Duncan says that Green “in a short period has become one of the most consequential designers in the business.”  And today Links Magazine published an article by Joe Passov…saying “It took 15 years to become an overnight sensation, but the commissions and awards don’t lie: Low-key Andrew Green ranks among the best, most in-demand restoration specialists in the business”.  Yes “leader” is not the same as “one of the” or “among the” …but one generation of designers is a smaller group than all designers or all of today’s practicing designers, etc.  But I do agree that while he has proven his skills to be superb when it come to restorations/renovations…they have yet to be tested on a new course.  Perhaps Kalamazoo CC will be his first “new” course.And with the passage of time and the release of recent Top 100 lists…there is further evidence of Green’s results.  Four of his restorations have been on courses that for years have been regulars on USA and World Top 100 lists:  Inverness, Oak Hill-East, Congressional-Blue, and Scioto.  With the recent publication of Golf Digest’s 2023 USA 100, here is what the data show.Oak Hill—GOLF Mag USA—#43 in 2017…#37 in 2022.   GolfWeek USA #69 in 2020 and #42 in 2022.     Golf DigestUSA—#22 in 2019 …#22 in 2023.   GOLF Mag—World #93 in 2017 and #76 in 2021.   

Inverness—[/b]
GOLF Mag USA—#44 in 2017 and #33 in 2021; GolfWeek USA #50 in 2020 and #47 in 2022; Golf Digest USA—#89 in 2017…#58 in 2023; GOLF Mag—World #98 in 2017 and #65 in 2021

Congressional—[/b]
GOLF Mag USA—unranked in ‘20 and #55 in 2022;Golf Digest USA—#91 in 2021 and #73 in 2023

Scioto—[/b]
GOLF Mag USA—unranked in 2020 and #73 in 2022;Golf Digest USA—#68 in 2021 and #60 in 2023.Pretty strong record.Note that work at Congressional and Scioto completed too recently to be reflected in all the lists…and work at Indian Creek completed too late for any list published to date.In any case I firmly stand by my prior statement as regards restorations/renovations.

[Tim Leahy]

Just watched a great interview with AG on TGC about Oak Hill restoration. He seems to be a great follower of Ross. Being on the West coast I had never heard of him before yesterday but his website indicates he is working with clients based in Los Angeles. Anybody know what projects he may be undertaking on the West coast?

[Paul Rudovsky]

Tim--
On our listing of new courses, restorations, and renovations (https://fescue.github.io) we have 17 projects with Green as architect (excluding those he has finished ending with Indian Creek).  None of the 17 on on the West Coast...but perhaps the "clients" are on the west coast and own or manage a course elsewhere.


The 17 with anticipated opening years are:


2023:
Maryland G&CC
Bayville, VA


2024:
Oak Hill-West, NY
Union League-Torresdale, PA
Vacquero, TX


2025:
Kalamazoo CC, MI (New Course)
New Canaan, CT
Cherokee Town & Ctry-Town, GA
East Lake, GA
Kansas City CC, KS
Elkridge, MD
Interlachen, MN


2026:
Houston CC, TX
Mountain Ridge, NJ
Chevy Chase, MD
Cherokee Town & Ctry-Country. GA


2027:
Wyoming, PA

[Steve_ Shaffer]

How about Oak Hill?

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2023/05/15/pga-championship-oak-hill-country-club-andrew-green-golden-era-architecture/

[Paul Rudovsky]

Steve--


My list of 17 was defined as "we have 17 projects with Green as architect (excluding those he has finished ending with Indian Creek)"
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[/size]so it excluded all the projects he has already completed[/color][/size]:[/color]Indian Creek (FL)
[/color]Scioto (OH)[/font][/color]Congressional-Blue (MD)[/font][/color]Wannamoisett (RI)[/font][/color]Oak Hill-East (NY)[/font][/color]Whitemarsh Valley (PA)[/font][/color]

[John Blain]

Tim--
On our listing of new courses, restorations, and renovations (https://fescue.github.io) we have 17 projects with Green as architect (excluding those he has finished ending with Indian Creek).  None of the 17 on on the West Coast...but perhaps the "clients" are on the west coast and own or manage a course elsewhere.


The 17 with anticipated opening years are:


2023:
Maryland G&CC
Bayville, VA


2024:
Oak Hill-West, NY
Union League-Torresdale, PA
Vacquero, TX


2025:
Kalamazoo CC, MI (New Course)
New Canaan, CT
Cherokee Town & Ctry-Town, GA
East Lake, GA
Kansas City CC, KS
Elkridge, MD
Interlachen, MN


2026:
Houston CC, TX
Mountain Ridge, NJ
Chevy Chase, MD
Cherokee Town & Ctry-Country. GA


2027:
Wyoming, PA

Paul-
Are you sure about the work at Oak Hill West be completed in 2024?  I talked to a couple of members that told me that there has only been some tentative plans to due a west course restoration but nothing concrete as of yet.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

More on Andrew Green and acorns:

https://www.globalgolfpost.com/featured/oak-hill-the-planting-of-a-masterpiece/


Even the tee markers are mindful of the Oak Hill acorns.