[Rob Marshall]

How can these guys be so dumb and then lie about it?

[John Blain]

How can these guys be so dumb and then lie about it?

Rob-
The piece I watched on GC last night provided overwhelming evidence that a violation occurred. Paul McGinley said it was "obvious" that there was a breach but the Rules Committe @ The Masters for whatever reason did not see it that way. Why? I have no idea although Paul did go on to say that it "happens all the time" in professional golf. Seems like they just decided to look the other way. 

[Bruce Katona]

Before we accuse anyone of impacting any rules, do we know where the on-course TV announcer walking with the group or the behind-the-player TV cameraman assigned to the hole were located?

It's pretty common practice to have the caddy signal to the tower pundits what club their guy hit.

[John Kavanaugh]

Wait till he blows a 54 hole lead. It’s all about the LIV.

[Thomas Dai]

Interesting - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4nohnoFJuxI
‘Rules’ for some but not for others? I guess best not mention Woods drop on the 15th a few years ago nor the Palmer/Venturi plugged ball nor De Vincenzo’s scorecard. Maybe a few others over the years too?
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[Charlie Goerges]

For those of us who didn't catch this, anyone want to explain what happened?

[John Blain]

Before we accuse anyone of impacting any rules, do we know where the on-course TV announcer walking with the group or the behind-the-player TV cameraman assigned to the hole were located?

It's pretty common practice to have the caddy signal to the tower pundits what club their guy hit.

Highly unlikely that he was talking to an-course reporter or camaraman. That communication is almost universally done by fingers, not voice. The clip I saw (in the link below) it appears that Ricky Elliot was talking directly to Brennan Little.
Good read here:


 https://firepitcollective.com/rules-are-rules/?_kx=CRiCTk92TaxhVuvmDsEMAPgTcyzSTaOmBCSliuiBTBU%3D.TCCK3s

[Erik J. Barzeski]

nor De Vincenzo’s scorecard

What about it?

[John Kavanaugh]

The fire pit collective is the Fox News of golf. Fighting LIV is their brand.

[David_Tepper]

Here is what happened:

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/masters-brooks-caddie-augusta-rule-2023?utm_medium=email&utm_source=040723&utm_campaign=breakingnewsam&utm_content=DM38096&uuid=9861c6da148243648f1aa92679fb32a0

[John Kavanaugh]

Has anyone written the story that the load management of a 54 holes schedule is a modern better way to prep for Majors? Similar to what the NBA does as they prepare for the playoffs.

[Erik J. Barzeski]

Here is what happened:

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/masters-brooks-caddie-augusta-rule-2023?utm_medium=email&utm_source=040723&utm_campaign=breakingnewsam&utm_content=DM38096&uuid=9861c6da148243648f1aa92679fb32a0

They were apparently brought in today, too, to go over it all again, in part because Brooks is shown showing "five" as a hand signal, too.

As long as they stick to their stories, the Masters apparently feels there's nothing they can do. Shame, really.

[Thomas Dai]

A video recently posted by Golf Digest - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDtOjsn8ZlA
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[Charlie Goerges]

It feels like much ado about nothing to me. He very well might not have even been giving club information, but additionally, the information is worse than useless. I vaguely recall reading an article long ago that it doesn't really help the pros much because everyone is so in their own world and has custom specs on their clubs, not to mention that they likely don't hit their clubs exactly the same distance.

[Rob Marshall]

It feels like much ado about nothing to me. He very well might not have even been giving club information, but additionally, the information is worse than useless. I vaguely recall reading an article long ago that it doesn't really help the pros much because everyone is so in their own world and has custom specs on their clubs, not to mention that they likely don't hit their clubs exactly the same distance.

It's against the rules and it was obvious. Then to lie about it just makes it worse.

[John Kavanaugh]

Will golf jump the shark when an LIV player wins the Masters because he cheated? Will Gary Player be the only honorary starter who doesn’t boycott next years tournament? Will tee times become abundant and greens chairmen’s budgets cut? Will golf be great again?

[Niall C]

I watched the early part of the first round and on the 12th tee saw two caddies having a conversation after one of the players had played their tee shot and with another player looking on and listening in to the conversation on what club was hit. It struck me at the time that it was a breach of the rules but as I don't have Fred Ridleys mobile number there was nothing I could do about it.


Niall

[Michael Dugger]

I find this mighty flimsy.


For one, sharing the club you hit doesn't constitute advice in my opinion. 


For two, what's next, are we going to start penalizing guys who don't hide or protect what they hit on the tee of a par 3 now?  I mean, geez, it's not hard to look over and see what your playing companion is holding. 


Should players start looking at the ground when on the tee of a one shot hole? 


Woodland is a pretty long player.  Brooks 5 iron might also be his 5 iron, but c'mon. 


I'm far more concerned about Patrick Reed's behavior.  When the talking head was going through Reed's bag on the range this morning I was half expecting a bottle of HGH to fall out.   

[John Kavanaugh]

If Mickelson hadn’t lost so much weight would he be leading instead of only being 4 under. Who was antifatshaming him a few days back?


When you start giving your villains shit for being thin you might want to skip dessert.

[Wayne_Kozun]

I find this mighty flimsy.

For one, sharing the club you hit doesn't constitute advice in my opinion. 

It does according to the USGA and R&A and they are the ones that matter.  Don't know why the ANGC rules committee didn't penalize Koepka.

[Wayne_Kozun]

The fire pit collective is the Fox News of golf. Fighting LIV is their brand.

It's not like Bamberger knows anything about this.  Like I mean, it isn't as if he caddied on the European tour for half a season or so.

[John Kavanaugh]

The fire pit collective is the Fox News of golf. Fighting LIV is their brand.

It's not like Bamberger knows anything about this.  Like I mean, it isn't as if he caddied on the European tour for half a season or so.

He is my age. I owe him congrats on a serious life. Becoming a writer in the late 70’s is something I could not to have even aspired.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bamberger

[Charlie Goerges]

It feels like much ado about nothing to me. He very well might not have even been giving club information, but additionally, the information is worse than useless. I vaguely recall reading an article long ago that it doesn't really help the pros much because everyone is so in their own world and has custom specs on their clubs, not to mention that they likely don't hit their clubs exactly the same distance.

It's against the rules and it was obvious. Then to lie about it just makes it worse.

I know advice is against the rules, but the article I read only said that he was observed making the “5” gesture with his hand. There are innumerable questions to which the answer is “five”. Is there audio of Woodland asking what club he hit?

[Tim Leahy]

Comrade Trumpsky, Saudi's and LIV golfers lie?

[Erik J. Barzeski]

For one, sharing the club you hit doesn't constitute advice in my opinion.

Your opinion doesn't really matter here. By definition, it's advice. It's literally, well, here:

Advice

Any verbal comment or action (such as showing what club was just used to make a stroke) that is intended to influence a player in:

I know advice is against the rules, but the article I read only said that he was observed making the “5” gesture with his hand. There are innumerable questions to which the answer is “five”. Is there audio of Woodland asking what club he hit?

Brooks' caddie also said (fairly clearly, IMO) the word "five" loudly and twice in the direction of Gary Woodland's caddie.

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