Worst Renovation

[Matt_Cohn]

   Is it possible that the only bad renovation in the world that this esteemed group can come up with is Doral?  Ray Floyd barely qualifies as an architect.

Lots of bad ones, but tough to think of one that’s worse!

[David Cronan]

Floyd did 9 courses according to this:




https://www.golfcourseranking.com/architect-profile/list-of-courses-designed/raymond-floyd/806/www.golfcourseranking.com




However, this summary has more:


https://www.golfpass.com/travel-advisor/architects/2621-raymond-floyd/

He's a member at Old Palm and has enormous sway in any work done there, be it in-house or otherwise.

[Tim Martin]

Although I haven’t played the golf course I can’t remember more grumbling than that of the Ernie Els 2010 effort at Wentworth West. I know he got a second chance in 2017.

[Nate Oxman]

Floyd did 9 courses according to this:




https://www.golfcourseranking.com/architect-profile/list-of-courses-designed/raymond-floyd/806/www.golfcourseranking.com




However, this summary has more:


https://www.golfpass.com/travel-advisor/architects/2621-raymond-floyd/

He's a member at Old Palm and has enormous sway in any work done there, be it in-house or otherwise.

What reno work did he do at Palm Beach Par 3?

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Nate...To answer Question:

Details about renovation in 2009:
https://thecoastalstar.com/profiles/blogs/pb-par3-course-undergoes
https://www.kimley-horn.com/project/palm-beach-par-3-golf-course/

https://www.golfontheocean.com/course-details/

[David Cronan]

Floyd did 9 courses according to this:




https://www.golfcourseranking.com/architect-profile/list-of-courses-designed/raymond-floyd/806/www.golfcourseranking.com




However, this summary has more:


https://www.golfpass.com/travel-advisor/architects/2621-raymond-floyd/

He's a member at Old Palm and has enormous sway in any work done there, be it in-house or otherwise.

What reno work did he do at Palm Beach Par 3?

I've no idea.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Cronan:
You have no idea? Do you read and write the English language?
All you had to do was to read my post directly above yours where I posted 3 links to elaborate on the work done on Palm Beach par3. These include one link providing information from the contractor- Kimley/Horn:
Details about renovation in 2009:
https://thecoastalstar.com/profiles/blogs/pb-par3-course-undergoes
https://www.kimley-horn.com/project/palm-beach-par-3-golf-course/

https://www.golfontheocean.com/course-details/
Do you know how to open a  link?



 

[David Cronan]

Cronan:
You have no idea? Do you read and write the English language?
All you had to do was to read my post directly above yours where I posted 3 links to elaborate on the work done on Palm Beach par3. These include one link providing information from the contractor- Kimley/Horn:
Details about renovation in 2009:
https://thecoastalstar.com/profiles/blogs/pb-par3-course-undergoes
https://www.kimley-horn.com/project/palm-beach-par-3-golf-course/

https://www.golfontheocean.com/course-details/
Do you know how to open a  link?

Steve,
While I was scrolling down the posts, apparently I made the egregious mistake of not looking at all of the posts before I answered the question of Mr. Oxman's; thus, I did not see your post where you were kind enough to share the three links regarding the renovation of Palm Beach Par 3.


And to answer your questions directly, yes, I do read and write English. In fact, it's my native language.
And yes, I can open a link.

[Ryan Hillenbrand]

From 1973 to 1980 or so, we had the 10:36 tee time at Cog Hill 4 every Saturday. The rounds were slow as was the habit of the day, but it was a terrific course. My tenure went through the changes which were improvements to holes 12 through 14. I have not played the course since then and only followed the criticism of the Rees Jones renovation in passing. However, I just took a look on Google Earth, and it seems as if the criticisms are on point at least in terms of the bunkering.


I am hard pressed to think of another course where the renovation was so misplaced.


Ira

I’ve played #4 (aka Dubsdread) maybe 100 times but only once after Jones wrecked the place and that last round was the outing held to celebrate the renovation. Very few in the crowd were enthusiastic.


Haven’t accepted an invitation since. Bummer. They wrecked the course in an effort to get the US Open. That didn’t happen.

I'm excited to see what develops at Lake Wales CC with the Jemsek family. There was a good Feed the Ball podcast, with the grandson I believe, and hopefully there is some redemption after the Cog Hill fiasco. I don't think it was their fault that the USGA promoted Rees Jones so heavily, only to have tastes change and leave them empty handed

[Ira Fishman]

I certainly did not mean to even imply criticism of the Jemsek family when I started this thread. It was directed at the Jones work. I started another thread awhile back asserting that Mr. Jemsek should be in the World Golf Hall of Fame.


Ira

[Joel_Stewart]

I certainly did not mean to even imply criticism of the Jemsek family when I started this thread. It was directed at the Jones work. I started another thread awhile back asserting that Mr. Jemsek should be in the World Golf Hall of Fame.

Ira

The Jemsek family is well aware of the situation.  I was scrolling through a Twitter post maybe a year ago on the subject of Cog Hill and noticed Mr. Jemsek commented that there's a few million problems with doing a renovation, meaning money.