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Thomas Dai

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If you’ve played it, when did you first play TOC & what memories of playing there that day do you have?
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David Royer

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It’s been a few years but my wife and I played on a July 5th.  We drew two great caddies and a couple of Aussies. My caddy was an older gent who got me around in 76.  He said he had caddied for several gentleman who were well known.  At the end of the round he told me it might have been one the finest rounds he had ever had seen. We had a great laugh and he walked with a heavy pocket.  One of finest days my wife and I have ever had.  Best wishes for the field this week.

Lou_Duran

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2003.


Its history and impact on our game were tantalizing.  My son and I were temporary R & A members for a day and that was a great experience.  My wife graced us with her company around the course and was a good sport when she had to retire to a nearby hotel for tea and a sandwich while us men lunched at the R & A clubhouse.


As to the course, it was set so short (probably barely over 6000 yards) that it didn't make an impression commensurate with its reputation.  Despite near-perfect weather, the whole experience with playing the course was further degraded by the pro shop staff, the starter, and the marshals who had to continually push our two add-ons who brought staff bags expecting to take caddies, but none were available at the somewhat early hour (around 8:00 a.m.).


A second visit some 15 years later was better, though I still don't get its stratospheric standing.  Hopefully in a third try its mysteries will be revealed.


P.S.- I'd like to say that if Mr. Royer was in my group, the whole experience would have been greatly enhanced, though I fear that his may have gone the other way.  BTW, I shot 80 the first time, worse the second, neither time with caddies to keep score and "weigh" their pockets.   

John Kavanaugh

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I think I played with Josh Bills. He did a painting of me that hangs in the dining room. Makes me happy most every day.

Pat Burke

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I e told this story before, but it is the best day of my golf life.
I was exempt for the ‘95 Open and went to ast Andrews a week early to practice for my first Links experiences.
On weds morning the week before the tournament, I carried my shoes and bag through town to TOC to register and play.
I was informed that the first players information packets had an error in them and practice rounds were NOT available until the next day :'(


I asked if it was possible to get on one of the other courses and when the lady went to ask, I was informed that it was their mistake, and I could go play TOC!


We rounded up a local caddy, an incredible lady I was able to work with until my caddy arrived.  We set out to play and I was the only player on the course for that entire day, with no tee markers or flagsticks!!!  It was a mind boggling experience.
In the locker room after the round, the man inside told me everyone was trying to figure out the last time a player had the “old girl” to himself.  Nobody could recall a time.  I assumed it was a sign of the apocalypse!


It is the best golf day of my life.

Peter Pallotta

Wonderful story, Pat. I'm glad for you to have had that experience of the best golf day in your life. And if memory serves, you went on to play all four days of that Open Championship -- which makes you the only one person of the thousands and thousands who have posted here over the years who can say that! You wear that honour with humility.
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Pete_Pittock

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1975. 30 years old along with my dad, who was sixty. Stayed at Rusacks. I carried, he hired a caddie. Both of us wore tartan tams, mine blue, his red. Learned about trajectory as my dad started out-hitting me. After a while I started hitting it lower and was satisfied. Wondered what the stones with covers were. Course guide had aerial pictures of the hole along with a scaled ruler to figure out yardages. On the 12th tee my father's caddie said to play towards the edge of the fairway. I asked why? I hit it straight and the ball disappeared. A bunker in the middle of the fairway? Caddie - I told you so. Got to the 17th hole and the sheds were gone, replaced with a chain link fence replicating the silhouette. On the 18th walked across Swilcan bridge and didn't think about getting a picture with me (and my father) posing on the bridge. Curiously, in the ten or so rounds there I never got that picture - major bummer.  Played second shot off on Granny Clark's Wynd. Scored in the range of 82-84

Peter Flory

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I played it last fall in the Hickory Grail (US vs Europe in a friendly Ryder Cup like competition). 


My memories from that day:
- hitting a good drive on 1
- Being absolutely amazed by how cool the 2nd green was- for some reason I never noticed that when spectating in the Sr Open
- Hitting into the Strath bunker (only one of the round).  Took me 2 to get out.
- Clearing Hell's bunker... barely with a spoon
- Lipping out a really long birdie putt on 17
- Double rainbow appearing on 18 as we finished the round and everyone scrambling to take as many pics as possible before it disappeared.

mike_beene

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All I really remember from my first play probably 25 years ago was that it was May and the yellow was in bloom. And the front nine felt blind and confusing. I decided to go back and play it multiple times to figure out what was so great. Now it is by far my favorite in the world.

William_G

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lucky to play in the mid 1970's and again and again just a few years ago
it's all about the blind shots on a flat piece of beach front land
the best thing is leaving the historic town on the 1st tee and then returning at the 18th


It's all about the golf!

David_Tepper

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After 30+ golf trips to Scotland that started in May, 2000, my wife & I visited St. Andrews (and anywhere in Fife) for the first time in August, 2019. A friend and R&A member arranged for us to join him in a very civilized tee time on TOC. My wife and I both 1-putted the 1st hole for pars. The rest of the round was pretty much a blur, trying to take everything in.

After the round we showered, changed into more appropriate attire and then had a tour of the R&A clubhouse followed by lunch in the dining room upstairs. That was quite an experience.

The next morning we played the New.

My biggest regret is not spending enough time there to explore "the auld grey toon." Hopefully we will not wait another 19 years to visit it again.

Jon Heise

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October 2013.


Booked the trip with no guaranteed tee time.  Mid week day, got in the queue by 5am (did not have the shack yet, so cold as all hell) and had a good two hours of just me sitting there staring at the stars, the first tee box, the 18th.  Had it all to myself.  And I knew for SURE I was going to play that day.


Was able to get locked in for a time for about 1030am, walked back to my room (only a few blocks away near the castle) and took a nap and had a full breakfast.


Could not have been better.






Next trip back in 2019 was with my brother (who goes and shoots a personal best round) and a couple of terrified to play a famous course Englishmen (they were fabulous partners).  I also ripped a 3 hybrid to 6' on Road and sunk it for a birdie...




No better place on the planet.
I still like Greywalls better.

Steve Lang

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 8)  Very memorable... Short story is Sept '96, 24 degC, sunny, light onshore breeze, shot a 77.


We had called lottery upon arriving in UK on a Saturday morning, later discovered we had won a Monday tee time, drove out on Sunday to check travel time from Edinburgh hotel, toured museum and The Himalayas, walked a little around course and looked in the windows of the R&A, looked for rental clubs in town, met a little shop owner up from the 18th who told us we didn't have to share the tee time, but she knew of a gentleman from NY who'd been unable to get on TOC, was staying at Hotel already for a week... would we mind terribly if he joined us??  We said sure..., before we left the shop we also had a 4th, a guy from NJ befriended by the guy from NY...


I carried my own sticks, Ms Sheila hired a brawny lad to carry her bag, the two other guys each had their own caddies... it wasn't long before I was getting advice from the two caddies as the NY & NJ guys couldn't golf their balls anywhere as told.   I had studied TOC booklets and was using one when one of the caddies said, to put the book away Laddie, we'll help you get around...


Memorable:
- starter saying letter of introduction was nice but not needed and of course that first tee shot and carrying the burn
- caddies yelling at members coming up 18, we were supposed to have right of way off #1
- when in doubt, stay left off tee
- plan on 15 yd rollout
- carrying Hell Bunker and not falling in when taking a look
- Ms Sheila running one up The Principal's Nose
- Ms Sheila hitting the English Lion on the fake rr shed right in the head, after joking about her luck
- going over the shed and almost birdying 17
- OB right by 6 inches on 18, 2nd ball approach to 4ft, make the putt and wave to applauding crowd
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John Crowley

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A memorable round on TOC was in 2001. Played with a new friend, the chairman of the St Andrews Links Trust. On the first tee when I arrived there was a photographer, a reporter and the President of the University of St. Andrews to welcome the “celebrity” we played with - the CEO of the Millennium Dome. The CEO, a former NHL player, proceeded to birdie the first five holes. My friend said to me “he’s going to set the course record”. That did not happen. He shot 72. I believe that was the day on TOC that, with my friend’s guidance, I was not in one bunker the entire round. Lunch in The R&A capped off the day.
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Sean_A

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My first go round TOC was in the summer of 1992. I turned up unexpectedly in St Andrews and without a time was teeing off within a half hour of parking...still playing persimmon woods. I had just recently got back into the game and couldn't quite wrap my head around the idea of metal woods. The first tee was and is a sight to behold in person....so much space, but extreme danger hard right. My two unknown playing partners erred right. After seeing that I settled for the less humiliating option of the 18th fairway. Without a caddie or guidebook much of 2-6 was a guessing game of hitting into the unknown left and watching balls float right. It was blowing a gale off the left going out. Any hint of cut...well, you know. Matters weren't helped by an over zealous course ranger telling us to pick up play...which would have necessitated hitting into the group ahead. 11 was insane in that wind. I hit the green near the 7th cup after aiming what felt like 50 yards left toward golfers playing the 7th....that's a strange feeling. I don't think it was possible to hit that putt hard enough to reach the 11th cup. Yes it was a slow and bewildering round. I can't say it was enjoyable if honest. There was a lot of standing around waiting to get bollocked by a mad Scotsman. Yet I was intrigued. There were tons of indifferent shots blown off poorly chosen lines, but no lost balls. Yep, I was intrigued alright. Enough so to make plans for off season visits when the place isn't a zoo and that course ranger was hopefully retired. That ninny must have cost the Trust a fair share of repeat business.

Since that first go I have walked the course far more times than I have played it, which is a total of three times. In truth, I have played the Himalayas far more times than the Old 😎. I wonder if I will ever play the Old again?

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Pat Burke

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Wonderful story, Pat. I'm glad for you to have had that experience of the best golf day in your life. And if memory serves, you went on to play all four days of that Open Championship -- which makes you the only one person of the thousands and thousands who have posted here over the years who can say that! You wear that honour with humility.


Funny PP
As a clueless first timer in The Open, I thought I was going to miss the cut, not realizing the 10 stroke rule at the time!!  I played pretty well but had TWO penalties for my ball moving on the 5th green!!  Got flustered for a bit. :D


It was an amazing week.  I choked so bad on about an 8-10 footer on 17 for birdie Sunday.  If I had made that one I would have played the Road Hole even for the week!  Probably explains a bit of my career struggles that in the midst of the Open I was thinking about that!!

Richard Fisher

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During the mid1980s I used regularly to visit the history departments at the (then) 40-odd British universities. St Andrews was a regular (and distinguished) haunt and on several occasions from 1986 onwards found myself teeing up on the Old Course at c5.30, the ‘guest of a ratepayer’, and paying the princely sum of five pounds for the privilege. Drinks afterwards in one of the hostelries on the Scores, or in the New Club. I would supplement this treat with a 3-day ticket for the other courses (costing I think £25). Happy days indeed!


Playing with guys who played the Old Course every week was a very good introduction. And we all carried our own clubs, with nobody playing with more than ten or eleven sticks, and got round in little more than three hours and a quarter.


Back in the long-forgotten days of ‘double summer time’, my late Dad would play on the Old Course in the 1940s until way after 10pm, but with mathematicians rather than historians. We were both very lucky.

Thomas Dai

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1983. Yikes, 40 yrs ago! Approx £15 I believe. April time. Called them the day before. First off very early doors with three Japanese chaps and their caddies. Very slow and after 3 holes someone comes up and tells me to go ahead on my own, which was fine by me. Whizzed round in a bit of a haze. Playing lines mostly a bit confusing until the loop after that okay. Main recollections are how big, huge, the greens were, how there were wee shells in the bunkers and finishing in the town. Thought at the time it might be a once off experience but went back a few times during the years that followed on the same next day/‘phone/early doors basis. Mind things were a wee bit different and less busy 40 yrs ago.
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JohnVDB

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1988 - my wife and I were in the middle of a 7 month trip around Europe. When we hit Scotland I went on a two week binge. Did the walk up thing at TOC and got paired with a father/som from Edinburgh and a guy from the US Embassy in Bonn.


The only bunker I hit all day was the road bunke.  I took two to get out and my caddie said, “That makes you two better than Tommy Nakajima”


In 1995 my wife and I were back and she had been playing for a couple of years.  We had a late afternoon tee time and there was a two-ball in front of us.  Asked if we could join up since it would be slow.  One of them was Hord Hardin, Jr. I didn’t tell my wife who his father was until after the round so she wouldn’t be nervous.

Adrian_Stiff

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Pretty sure it was 1975 and I was playing in a junior match. I lost either 4 & 3 or 5 & 4 so never played the last few.


I was not nervous driving off the first at all as I probably did not understand nerves, anyway I hit a good one straight down the middle. Popped it in the water, dropped out and the skulled it to the back of the green then conceeded.


I remember driving into lots of bunkers and hacking out and losing most holes to pars. I drove close to the 6th green but mainly remember huge long putts and more bunkers.


In 1978 I hitch-hiked with a mate to watch the Open. First night I slept on the 9th fairway, other nights in the beer tent, we even went to a disco one night! Great memories.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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I was on a Tour (Turnberry, Western Gailes, North Berwick, Castle, etc.) and we had a three-day pass for St. Andrews. So we played the Castle the one day (a travel day), played the New and Jubilee the next day, and stopped in to the shop to enter the lottery instead of doing so online like we had the previous two days. Whether the lottery is truly random or whether we sweet talked the woman a bit, I'll never know, but I suspect it's a bit of the latter. Three of us were set to go off the next day. And our fourth was a guy celebrating his birthday!

I remember looking at the temperature the night before and realizing that the difference between every 3° or so was about a layer of clothing. It was windy the whole day, and I changed the number of layers I had on about eight times. We were staying a few hundred feet from the first tee, and my balcony looked out over the R&A building.

On the first tee, the caddie(s) kept moving my bag forward a set of markers. I kept putting it back, and told my caddie "I'm a PGA guy, if after a few holes you don't think I can play from back there I'll move up." I didn't have to move up. I hit hybrid off the first, followed by a 7I. It took a few holes for my caddie to realize I didn't want what he called "The American yardage" (to the hole), after I had asked "If I fly it just over that bump there, 50 yards short of the green, will it run up the right way?" The only wedges I hit the whole time in Scotland were from some bunkers or an occasional greenside rough type shot.

Walking off the first tee, a woman caddie (I'd later see her carrying for one of the pros in the Dunhill a few weeks later), a gruff lassie, asked me where I was from. I said "Erie, PA" and she started naming a bunch of older guys I know! "Aye, (names here), terrible tippers, throw clubs, curse a lot. We call them the Erie Mafia." Uhhh… yeah, okay. Turns out she winters as a caddie at a club in FL where those guys all tend to spend a month during the winter, too. Sheesh.

The wind was left to right going out and stayed that direction coming in. On the 11th, from 170 or so, I played a 4I about 50 yards left of the green with a high soft cut that came in nearly sideways. The caddies on the forward tee waited back after their players hit to tell me what a great shot I'd hit. It was, even though it finished at 35 feet or so. I took that as a really nice sign, because they were not exactly flowing with their compliments.

Walking off the 12th (I think), I asked about a bunker 40 yards off the tee, IIRC. I said "who hits it in that?" My caddie said "you'd be surprised." I said "Isn't there a handicap limit?" He said "the only handicap limit is the greens fee." and that he'd "caddied for people who said 'this is my first time on a real golf course.'" and they didn't mean "real" as in "well-known" or "famous" or anything. They meant not a simulator or a range.

On the 17th I had to aim over the O in HOTEL because of the wind, but hit a good drive. I had 180 left, a perfect 6I yardage for me… so I hit the same type of shot I'd hit all week: a 6I that flew about 95 yards and rolled the other 85. We had enough time while the ball appeared, disappeared, and re-appeared ten feet right or left to have the quick conversation after I had handed my club back to my caddie "I think that's going to get there." "I think it will be just short." "I don't know, it's still scurrying. I think it'll climb." Climb it did, to about 18 or 20 feet. I made the putt for birdie, and am a lifetime of 1-under on the Road Hole. My caddie said he sees one or two of those a year.

I finished with a putt from about 40 yards out on the home hole to about six or seven feet (and then listened to my caddie's read on the birdie putt, which I shouldn't have as it missed just low), and tipped well (my caddie made fun of the other caddies and what they'd gotten, which didn't make anyone feel good about anything at all).

Ended up with 74, which I'll take. I kept trying to read a bit too much wind into my putts early on.

That's too long, but I enjoyed typing it out and re-living it a little bit.
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Ronald Montesano

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From a member of the North-of-Erie Mafia:

Wife surprised me with a two-day layover in St. Andrews, on our way to Spain for our honeymoon (we are both Spanish teachers.) First day, walked to starters hut as a single and starter said, in a south Alabama accent, You'll nae get oot today. Best try the Noew Carse.

Walked down the path, played the New Course as a single, had a blast, realized how good it was, went back to the breakfast-and-bed. Wife had just awakened and asked how the Old Course was. I told the tale and she said Nice hustle, but we are here to play the Old Course. You are going back out there tomorrow. Silly me...thought that was how married life would be ~

Returned the following day. Same north Mississippi starter, same drawl, but I said I'll take my chances and I was off in the fifth group of the day. Hal Linden, of Barney Miller and other roles, was in the foursome ahead of me. Dressed like a bohemian actor, had a good swing. Never saw him again after the first tee. Two Americans from Orange County CA in our group (with caddies) and a broke Danish guy (broke like me) with his fiance in tow. He was a good stick. Carried a one iron. I carried my clubs, as did he.

Course kinda beat me up for the first fifteen holes, but I loved every element of it, and the banter of the caddies with their well-heeled colonials. On sixteen, I slid my drive just inside the oob, played a long iron to the green, and made two putts for par. On 17, I hit driver over some consonant in HOTEL and found the light rough, left of fairway. My donut with no hole pulled his one iron, and I asked him when he intended to be back. He said Probably Never in a west Georgia accent, to which I snorted So why not hit driver?

His driver was shit, even farther left than mine. Oh well, can't do more than give them a chance at glory. I punched seven iron out of the rough, just right of the wee bunker fronting the green. Putted up the slope to about ten feet, kept head down for entire fourth shot and, just when I was sure it had missed, heard it click to the bottom of the cup for one-under-bogey.

Walked on air to 18th tee, hit drive down left side of football pitch, crossed bridge and eschewed photograph. Putted through cemetary hollow onto green, took two putts for par, and looked for wife beyond green, because that's how Holywoood endings go. She wasn't there, so this was no Hollywood ending. Alas. We are still married, and she was happy that I did get to play the Old Course.
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Ken Moum

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July of 2006, we had a two-couples trip scheduled which included a three rounds in St. Andrews.  Because I was working for GCSAA then I had had some communication with Gordon Moir the year before about the Open Championship and asked if we might meet him.  He ended up giving me and my friend a tour of the TOC and the partially-constructed Castle Course on a Sunday.

Since we had a tee time from the fall lottery, I asked if Larry and I could get in another round on TOC while we were in St. Andrews. Since they apparently don't let visitors play after 5 pm, he said he might be able to play with us then, after our round on The New.

It worked out, so my first round on TOC was with my friend, Gordon Moir and Euan Grant the head greenkeeper. Since Gordon was the low handicapper and Euan the high, We ended up playing them for a pint.  The fact that we only got beaten 4 and 3 was a success, IMHO.

We finished in the near dark and went to the Dunvegan for the pint.
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Ally Mcintosh

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1989. With family friends as part of a Fife golfing fortnight with both families located in a caravan park. £18. Shot 92.


Despite walking it many times since, the last time I played it was in 2006 with old school pals. A lot more money than £18. Shot 72 which is a good memory and why I’ve maybe not played it since.

Carl Johnson

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Played it once, in 2004 as best I can recall.  I could not see where I was going, although my trainee caddie helpfully pointed out the direction.  However, said caddie was helpless reading the greens.  (My guess was that he would not make it as a regular caddie, though he seemed like a very nice guy.)  One time he told me my shot was on the the green, good news, but a long, long way from the pin, bad news.  Another time he told me to drive the ball into the right rough, and one time into the left rough, both of which were good suggestions, which I followed.  All four of us had trainee caddies and toward the end of the round we agreed on a common number for our tips.  Then I found out later the other three guys had upped their tips (though I had not).  Par on no. 1 (possibly others, but one is the only memory).  Overall, enjoyed the experience.


A disappointment.  A member of the R&A (introduced to us by our hostess in St. Andrews) had promised to take us into the R&A clubhouse bar for a drink after the round.  However, he then found he had to make a trip to London, conflicted, and we never made it.
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