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Jim_Coleman

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Stupid Rules Question
« on: June 26, 2022, 03:35:55 PM »
  Watching Lexi Thompson at Congressional. Is it a rule violation to tattoo a swing/alignment aid on one’s forearm?

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2022, 09:27:36 PM »
Watching Lexi Thompson at Congressional. Is it a rule violation to tattoo a swing/alignment aid on one’s forearm?
No.

But man, she just can't get it done.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2022, 09:55:31 PM »
Probably the worst short putting professional I have ever seen. It’s painful to watch.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2022, 10:44:08 PM »
Probably the worst short putting professional I have ever seen. It’s painful to watch.
Gives Ernie at the Masters a run for his money.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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JohnVDB

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2022, 11:34:34 AM »
  Watching Lexi Thompson at Congressional. Is it a rule violation to tattoo a swing/alignment aid on one’s forearm?


No.  Your glove glove can have visual aids to help with alignment so no problem with tattoos for the same purpose.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2022, 12:55:31 PM »
  Watching Lexi Thompson at Congressional. Is it a rule violation to tattoo a swing/alignment aid on one’s forearm?


No.  Your glove glove can have visual aids to help with alignment so no problem with tattoos for the same purpose.


John,

I apologize in advance because this is the one area of the rules I struggle with.

How can it be OK to use alignment devices in your line of sight, basically everywhere, except on the putting surface.  And even then its still "allowed" when players and manufactures draw straight lines on the ball and putter.  If you got a tattoo on your arm, and a line on your glove, and one on your ball, as well as a line on your putter...is it really doing anything more egregious to place a pencil on the green?

Where is Shivas when you need him!

Ok rant over!  ;D

Rob Marshall

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2022, 01:16:37 PM »
I couldn't believe that Harrington couldn't rake the bunker before dropping his ball. He made the tracks pulling his ball out of the plugged lie??
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2022, 05:46:12 PM »
How can it be OK to use alignment devices in your line of sight, basically everywhere, except on the putting surface.
Where is it allowed to use alignment devices "everywhere, except on the putting surface"?

You can't put a club down (or a pencil) on the fairway, either. You can't even move a piece of grass or a leaf or something to help you align.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Rob Marshall

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2022, 08:31:04 PM »
Anyone think a cigar in the mouth while you swing is an aid?
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Kalen Braley

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2022, 08:36:48 PM »
How can it be OK to use alignment devices in your line of sight, basically everywhere, except on the putting surface.
Where is it allowed to use alignment devices "everywhere, except on the putting surface"?

You can't put a club down (or a pencil) on the fairway, either. You can't even move a piece of grass or a leaf or something to help you align.


Erik,

To be more clear, I should have said "When putting, how can it be OK...."  Certainly its more difficult to align when in the fairway...

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2022, 09:04:13 PM »
To be more clear, I should have said "When putting, how can it be OK...."  Certainly its more difficult to align when in the fairway...
What can you use on the putting green that you can't use elsewhere?
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

archie_struthers

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2022, 09:13:22 PM »
 ::) :'(


Lexi needs to spend some time with Bernhard Langer...most amazing guy ever when it comes to putting bad putting behind you
« Last Edit: June 27, 2022, 09:33:54 PM by archie_struthers »

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2022, 09:31:42 PM »
Lexie needs to spend some time with Bernhard Langer...most amazing guy ever when it comes to putting bad putting behind you
Bernhard might not want to spend time with her for fear of re-infection!
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

archie_struthers

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2022, 09:34:25 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D




Now that's funny Eric

Michael Moore

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2022, 10:22:59 PM »
What can you use on the putting green that you can't use elsewhere?

A line on your ball.
Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Pat Burke

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2022, 12:28:02 AM »
::) :'(


Lexi needs to spend some time with Bernhard Langer...most amazing guy ever when it comes to putting bad putting behind you




Langers work ethic and determination beating the tips multiple
Times is mind boggling

JohnVDB

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2022, 06:58:42 AM »
What can you use on the putting green that you can't use elsewhere?

A line on your ball.


You can on the tee and anytime you have to place or repleace your ball.

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2022, 10:26:03 AM »
A line on your ball.
That's simply a byproduct of allowing you to lift, clean, and replace your ball. So, it's not just on the green. If you have to lift your ball because it interferes with another player, for example, you could replace it in a different orientation. Or if you have to lift it to identify it. Or in the teeing area, you could use an "alignment line."

Ah, JVDB beat me to it.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2022, 12:20:49 PM »
What can you use on the putting green that you can't use elsewhere?

A line on your ball.

You can on the tee and anytime you have to place or repleace your ball.

You can also buy putters with vertical lines on them as well...

Either way the point is the arbitrary nature of some alignments methods being allowed, and others not...

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2022, 12:51:36 PM »
You can also buy putters with vertical lines on them as well...

Either way the point is the arbitrary nature of some alignments methods being allowed, and others not...
And you can buy drivers with alignment lines on them in all sorts of directions. So…

Of course "some alignment methods are allowed, and others not." You can't have a caddie line you up. You can't lay a club down to align yourself. That's how rules work - you define what is and isn't allowed.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Rob Marshall

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2022, 01:03:18 PM »
A line on your ball.
That's simply a byproduct of allowing you to lift, clean, and replace your ball. So, it's not just on the green. If you have to lift your ball because it interferes with another player, for example, you could replace it in a different orientation. Or if you have to lift it to identify it. Or in the teeing area, you could use an "alignment line."

Ah, JVDB beat me to it.


If your ball is on the fringe and your playing partner asks you to mark it, since when can you put down in a different orientation? What if there was mud on the ball where you would strike it. You always had to replace it exactly as it lied. When did that change?
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

JohnVDB

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2022, 01:17:09 PM »
A line on your ball.
That's simply a byproduct of allowing you to lift, clean, and replace your ball. So, it's not just on the green. If you have to lift your ball because it interferes with another player, for example, you could replace it in a different orientation. Or if you have to lift it to identify it. Or in the teeing area, you could use an "alignment line."

Ah, JVDB beat me to it.


If your ball is on the fringe and your playing partner asks you to mark it, since when can you put down in a different orientation? What if there was mud on the ball where you would strike it. You always had to replace it exactly as it lied. When did that change?
The 2019 Interpretation below was a Decision prior to 2019 and wasn't changed when the new Rules took effect.
 14.2c/1 – Ball May Be Replaced in Almost Any Orientation When replacing a lifted ball on a spot, the Rules are concerned about only the location. The ball may be aligned in any way when being replaced (such as by lining up a trademark) so long as the ball’s vertical distance to the ground remains the same.
For example, when using a Rule that does not allow cleaning, the player lifts his or her ball and there is a piece of mud sticking to it. The ball may be aligned in any way when replacing it on the original spot (such as by rotating the interfering mud towards the hole).
However, the player is not allowed to replace the ball in an alignment so the ball rests on the mud unless that was its position before it was lifted. The “spot” of the ball includes its vertical location relative to the ground.

Jim_Coleman

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2022, 01:21:16 PM »
 John beat me to it also, but I don’t know how to delete a post, so I erased it.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2022, 01:24:24 PM by Jim_Coleman »

Rob Marshall

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2022, 01:23:18 PM »
Thanks John
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Rob Marshall

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Re: Stupid Rules Question
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2022, 01:25:20 PM »
Rob: You misunderstood the rule. If you marked a ball off the green, you could never clean it, but you could always reorient it, if that’s the word. If you would have had to hit mud on the ball before it was marked, you could and still can replace the ball in the same place but with the mud away from where you would strike it.


Has that always been the rule? We had a woman who was a usga rules official at my club. Did a lot of girls tournaments. She was the one who told me you couldn't change the orientation but this was about 30 years ago.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

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