Posting winter scores from Bandon, it ain't the conditioning.

[John Kavanaugh]

GHIN will not allow posting scores from Bandon this last week. They call it winter or something. The fairways and greens were in perfect condition. I was lucky enough to play five straight days in perfect weather. Is GHIN missing the point of Bandon?

[MCirba]

Sure sounds like it, John.

[Pete_Pittock]

The state golf association is the organization which determines when (or if) the non-posting season is in effect. At some point they may re-evaluate. I think there is a specific number of revisions per year, and the length of the posting season affects that frequency.




Bandon does have two distinct prevailing wind directions, one summer, one winter which are about 180 degrees different.

[Tommy Williamsen]

Do they allow you to post scores from Indiana? When I lived in Annapolis Maryland I couldn’t post scores. Now I live in the Virginia mountains and I can.

[John Kavanaugh]

I post from Florida.

[JohnVDB]

All Allied Golf Associations determine the active season for their area. Some areas such as Florida or California go all year.  Those that have real winters typically shut down sometime in November or December and reopen in March or April.  During that time, you can’t post score that are played in those areas.


If you play somewhere else such as Florida, you can post your scores even if your handicap is kept in a state that is inactive.


So, it doesn’t matter where you keep your handicap, but where you played the round.  As for Bandon, it may be in great condition right now, but I assure most of Oregon probably isn’t and it can’t be done on a course-by-course basis.

[Joe_Tucholski]

Handicap Active and Inactive Season Schedule (usga.org)


Posting on this thread hurts a bit.  I was supposed to arrive in Bandon Thursday night but winter weather didn't cooperate, and half our group failed to arrive.

[Mike Sweeney]

and it can’t be done on a course-by-course basis.

From a technology perspective, obviously it could be done. It would simply have to be allowed on a course by course basis. It could also be set up where the local course 1) defaults to the "Allied Golf Association", or 2) makes the decision for themselves.

Speaking of my local MGA (NYC) area, playing in February in the mud/clay of Rockland County, NY is completely different than playing on the sand of Long Island. Why not let the local course make the decision?

Friendly reminder, you can NEVER post a score from Sand Hills Golf Club in Nebraska, as they "have separated from The Union". Just checked GHIN, and at least this morning they are still not on the system. I don't think they ever have been on GHIN.

[JohnVDB]

and it can’t be done on a course-by-course basis.

From a technology perspective, obviously it could be done. It would simply have to be allowed on a course by course basis. It could also be set up where the local course 1) defaults to the "Allied Golf Association", or 2) makes the decision for themselves.

Speaking of my local MGA (NYC) area, playing in February in the mud/clay of Rockland County, NY is completely different than playing on the sand of Long Island. Why not let the local course make the decision?

Friendly reminder, you can NEVER post a score from Sand Hills Golf Club in Nebraska, as they "have separated from The Union". Just checked GHIN, and at least this morning they are still not on the system. I don't think they ever have been on GHIN.

Technologically anything is possible, but players are already confused enough (see what started this thread). The next call would be, the weather has been good for a week so let’s post scores.  Then it rains so let’s stop. Rinse and repeat all winter long and even into the summer for areas where there are lots of thunder storms I. The summer.


As for Sand Hills, it is also true for Ballyneal and Augusta National I believe.

[Kalen Braley]

John,

I'm a bit confused.  The pros can play "lift, clean, and cheat" on wet and soggy courses, for millions of dollars on the west coast swing (although yes they didn't have that issue this year)

But weekend hacks can't play in same conditions for far less stakes?  Other than a course being covered in snow, or 18 temp greens, I don't know why people shouldn't be able to post year round?  If its an issue of optimal conditions, playing in 100 degree heat is far more likely to cause me worse scoring than playing in 50 degrees and wet conditions.

[Steve Lang]

   We play year round so never payed attention to this topic, but thought the World Handicap System's playing conditions calculation (PCC) was to address this in general, WHY THE QUESTION?

[Jerry Kluger]

Here in North Carolina we post all year despite the fact that we are playing on dormant Bermuda fairways which are soft and wet with nearly everyone's handicap going up at least 4 strokes since there is no adjustment for conditions. However, when we go on a trip to Florida or Arizona and play on firm and fast courses our handicaps work very much in our favor.


I have been told that the pros play lift, clean and place in order not to have to take casual water relief which can be quite time consuming.

[David Ober]

Here in North Carolina we post all year despite the fact that we are playing on dormant Bermuda fairways which are soft and wet with nearly everyone's handicap going up at least 4 strokes since there is no adjustment for conditions. However, when we go on a trip to Florida or Arizona and play on firm and fast courses our handicaps work very much in our favor.


I have been told that the pros play lift, clean and place in order not to have to take casual water relief which can be quite time consuming.

Same in Inland SoCal. Everyone's indexes go up 2 - 4 strokes as conditions worsen, greens speed up, and surrounds get clumpy and crappy.

[Ronald Montesano]

When I cared about handicap, I simply adjusted the date of the round to the actual, in-season dates.


96.83% of golfers will not score better playing lift, clean, place, because it takes guts to score lower than customary.


Buffalo golf with snow typically sees higher scores than without snow. If golfers want to post, let them post, regardless of season.


Slower greens are counterbalanced by cooler, windier weather.

[Sean_A]

If the course is open and something close to a set of rated tees is in play then why not be allowed to post scores? Although, I don't understand the obsession with posting scores.

Ciao

[John Kavanaugh]

The fact of the matter is that I had a member/guest right after my Bandon trip. Those scores may have helped my standing.


Posting scores from an extended ram rod vacation isn’t a true indication of your handicap. Especially when traveling from Florida to Bandon in February.


I guess that many of you don’t have someone in your game that monitors when and how scores are posted. I had to tell my guy that Bandon would not allow me so it didn’t look like I was hiding something. He didn’t mind considering how poorly I played.

[Sean_A]

I guess that many of you don’t have someone in your game that monitors when and how scores are posted. I had to tell my guy that Bandon would not allow me so it didn’t look like I was hiding something. He didn’t mind considering how poorly I played.

If that someone is serious it sounds lke a person to be avoided.


Ciao

[Jeff Schley]

In the summer here a couple years ago, our handicap committee closed down our posting during a couple weeks for 18 hole rounds as someone got heat stroke one day.  They had to take guidance from company recreation which limited outdoor activity for a while. You could only post a 9 hole round, as they said it wasn't healthy to play in that heat for 18 holes. It shouldn't take this for sane people to realize 120 degrees in the hot sun with humidity maybe isn't worth a trip to the ER.

[Garland Bayley]

The state golf association is the organization which determines when (or if) the non-posting season is in effect. At some point they may re-evaluate. I think there is a specific number of revisions per year, and the length of the posting season affects that frequency.




Bandon does have two distinct prevailing wind directions, one summer, one winter which are about 180 degrees different.

Oregon posting as determined by the Oregon Golf Association runs from March 1 to November 30. You just went about a week to early.

Having played mostly in the winter, some of the holes made a lot more sense when I played this summer with at least one brut turning into a drive and wedge instead of drive and running long iron or fairway.

[Pete_Pittock]

There are probably as many courses on the southern Oregon coast that would have different conditions where a non-posting season would be appreciated.

[John Kavanaugh]

I guess that many of you don’t have someone in your game that monitors when and how scores are posted. I had to tell my guy that Bandon would not allow me so it didn’t look like I was hiding something. He didn’t mind considering how poorly I played.

If that someone is serious it sounds lke a person to be avoided.


Ciao

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[Bruce Katona]

Sounds like the A game didn't travel well from Florida to the left coast JK.  Hopefully the game returned when you came back east.

[John Kavanaugh]

Sounds like the A game didn't travel well from Florida to the left coast JK.  Hopefully the game returned when you came back east.

Five days walking, no caddies. Shot 94 at Pacific with one club. Lost 20 lbs. Best trip ever and I just got the crystal to prove it.

[Tim Martin]

Sounds like the A game didn't travel well from Florida to the left coast JK.  Hopefully the game returned when you came back east.

Five days walking, no caddies.

Did you push a trolley?

[John Kavanaugh]

Trolly BT, OM, and Bandon. Carry 7 clubs on the Preserve. One club (5 wood) Pacific.