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Jeff Schley

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New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« on: January 09, 2022, 02:31:42 AM »
I haven't heard of this project and just as soon for I doubt I know anyone who will be a member. Credit to Tim Gavrich and his article for bringing this to light. 

https://www.golfpass.com/travel-advisor/articles/brand-new-golf-courses-opening-in-2022


All within the last month, but also only found two other article on this project: https://www.desertsun.com/story/sports/golf/2021/12/20/proposed-exclusive-thermal-course-fits-into-high-end-part-desert-golf-scene/8943521002/This was actually quite the piece on Gil Hanse as well:  https://www.golfdigest.com/story/gil-hanse-jerry-tarde


 Coachella Golf Club  Thermal, Calif.
Architect: Gil Hanse
Gil Hanse may be the busiest big-name architect on the planet, with a slew of renovation and restoration projects on his and his Cavemen band of golf course builders' plates, in addition to new-build projects like this one, which has been linked to music super-producer Irving Azoff. The club, said to be capping its membership under 100, will be sculpted out of a pancake-flat site south of the Palm Springs area.





"Maybe the real test will be what he does with 300 acres of flat desert in Palm Springs, Calif., owned by music impresario Irving Azoff and Apple executive Eddy Cue, what might be the most sought-after new commission in the country. The working title is Coachella Golf Club—even the high-profile name raises the stakes."

So looks like a dead flat piece of desert land to work with and GD says this is his chance to get a design into the top 10 of the rankings?  What does anyone know about this project?
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Don Mahaffey

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2022, 11:50:10 AM »
I grew up in the Coachella Valley and my father lived about a mile from that site for 25 years. 


It’s dead flat ag land. For years that was the “wrong” side of the valley but that’s changing.


Hanse is obviously a very talented architect with a great team behind him.


It truly is a blank canvas, 


There are some good golf courses in the valley floor, but most of the courses that are considered the best in the area are in the foothills above the floor.


I imagine a shadow creek sort of approach, but it’ll be interesting to see what Hanse and team do there.

David_Tepper

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2022, 12:01:39 PM »
This project was mentioned on this thread a couple of months ago:

https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,70271.msg1689034.html#msg1689034

John Emerson

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2022, 01:00:56 PM »
We will never learn.  Great, just what we needed…another golf course in a desert.🤦🏻And we wonder why people write scathing articles about the industry.
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archie_struthers

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2022, 06:49:52 PM »
 ;D


John Emerson that’s a reply that caught my attention 😎

Peter Pallotta

Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2022, 09:47:44 PM »
Edit.
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Anthony Gray

Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2022, 10:12:58 PM »







  Look at the size of that swimming pool


Mike Wagner

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2022, 09:15:28 AM »
We will never learn.  Great, just what we needed…another golf course in a desert.🤦🏻And we wonder why people write scathing articles about the industry.


Maybe those people writing the articles are the problem ...

JR Potts

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2022, 12:20:44 PM »
How many jobs are too many jobs?


Can any of these clients really feel like they are getting the most/best/required attention?  I don't get it.


I feel like we have seen this before.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2022, 01:19:19 PM »
The only reason I know that Tom Ford made his name at Gucci is because I have a thing for Lady Gaga's ass. Hanse cracked that same code. Don't fight it.

Matt_Cohn

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2022, 01:44:41 PM »
Azoff and I think some of the other folks involved are at Madison Club currently. Madison was dead flat land too and now it's this. But I think just from an architectural perspective, it will be interesting to see what Hanse does with flat nothingness vs. what Fazio did. But when you have an unlimited budget, flat nothingness is a pretty great site, right?


JESII

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2022, 02:12:54 PM »

But when you have an unlimited budget, flat nothingness is a pretty great site, right?





I'd love to hear more about this.


I assume each architect would appreciate the opportunity to create 100% of the end result, out of pure ego...but I doubt many would prefer that to a true off the charts site, even if the budget was something less than unlimited.

Michael Chadwick

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2022, 02:16:46 PM »
Although Hanse is popular for just about any type of project currently, it's worth noting that he and his team have proven themselves to be quality hires for flatter sites. Rustic Canyon, Rio's Olympic Course, Ohoopee, and PGA Frisco are all on sites that don't exactly command attention in their unadulterated state, but can still yield compelling, strategic golf.   


I could be wrong--I hope I'm not--but I very much doubt this Coachella project will resemble Shadow Creek or Madison Club mentioned on this thread. When I consider Hanse's work, he, much like Doak and Coore/Crenshaw, are attentive to their course's sense of place. Tie-ins to the natural surroundings are important in terms of contour, horizon lines, and vegetation. I would expect there to be expanses of scrubby, sandy waste areas around grassed corridors, and most plantings to be consistent to what is native to the surrounding desert.


This sounds very much like an "Ohoopee Match West" to me, in terms of club structure and the kind of golf that might be built. While its construction won't dissuade those who fundamentally think golf in the desert is an oxymoron, I'd love it if the end result helps push desert golf towards a more naturalized embrace of its climate and aesthetic, as opposed to being another overly watered fabricated oasis pretending to exist somewhere it shouldn't.     
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2022, 02:22:02 PM »
It's comforting to know exactly what something is going to look like. I warned you guys about all the pics you take.

Steve Lapper

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2022, 03:33:04 PM »
Although Hanse is popular for just about any type of project currently, it's worth noting that he and his team have proven themselves to be quality hires for flatter sites. Rustic Canyon, Rio's Olympic Course, Ohoopee, and PGA Frisco are all on sites that don't exactly command attention in their unadulterated state, but can still yield compelling, strategic golf.   


I could be wrong--I hope I'm not--but I very much doubt this Coachella project will resemble Shadow Creek or Madison Club mentioned on this thread. When I consider Hanse's work, he, much like Doak and Coore/Crenshaw, are attentive to their course's sense of place. Tie-ins to the natural surroundings are important in terms of contour, horizon lines, and vegetation. I would expect there to be expanses of scrubby, sandy waste areas around grassed corridors, and most plantings to be consistent to what is native to the surrounding desert.


This sounds very much like an "Ohoopee Match West" to me, in terms of club structure and the kind of golf that might be built. While its construction won't dissuade those who fundamentally think golf in the desert is an oxymoron, I'd love it if the end result helps push desert golf towards a more naturalized embrace of its climate and aesthetic, as opposed to being another overly watered fabricated oasis pretending to exist somewhere it shouldn't.   


Michael,


   I think you are thinking correctly about the architectural aesthetic Gil will create on that site. There will be some negative space included as well.


  I don't think this will be an Ohoopee Match as a club. The owners ages, goals and expectations are dichotic to Ohoopee. I believe it'll be more private and essentially a club far closer to the vibe MJ imparted at Grove XXIII.
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Michael Chadwick

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Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2022, 04:40:28 PM »

  I don't think this will be an Ohoopee Match as a club. The owners ages, goals and expectations are dichotic to Ohoopee. I believe it'll be more private and essentially a club far closer to the vibe MJ imparted at Grove XXIII.


Steve, that likely is the better analogy. Good point.
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Gib_Papazian

Re: New Hanse Private in 2022 - Coachella Golf Club?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2022, 10:54:53 AM »
I can tell you that four of our growers are heavily invested in the Thermal/Coachella/Mecca corridor - on the north end of the Salton Sea. That is some of the best soil on Earth and it drains like a dream.


Don M. is onto something because the south end of the valley and both shores of the Salton Sea were once home to a fledgling series of resorts. They all eventually folded their tents, leaving a series of mini ghost towns, but the bones are there for a resurgence.


Even though the Salton Sea is fairly shallow (the warm temp helps hold off hard frosts on the Imperial Valley ranches on the south end), if a filtration system designed to handle effluent water could be constructed, I see no reason why that could not be used as a source to irrigate a few new courses - even along the sandy shoreline.


Like the rest of the northern part of the valley, it gets too hot - even for cantaloupes - by the middle of June, but Gil and his peeps (assuming Shac and Tommy will also have their fingers in the pie) are plenty talented enough to design a great golf course requiring only minimal amounts of irrigation.


My first thought was also the similarity of this project to Shadow Creek, but with only 100 members and no casino jing pouring into its coffers, I don't care if Billy Getty and that puke Jeff Bozos are underwriting it, a bulletproof plan to ensure the downstream economic sustainability of a project like that will have to be near the top of the membership investors packet.


The corridor between Palm Springs and La Quinta has become uncomfortably overcrowded with snowbirds and touristas, so it makes sense to head south down Highway 111 for a little elbow room. It will be interesting to see if other investors will follow suit with companion projects (not as exclusive, of course) and how long it will take to gentrify the area with ramped up infrastructure. 






           
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