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Richard Hetzel

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2022, 07:07:51 AM »
Them's fighting words, Sean. 


 ;D


Mike,


The Flyers (and the Bruins) needed those clubs to protect themselves from the real enforcer of those days, BARRY BECK (NY Rangers)!
Best Played So Far This Season:
Crystal Downs CC (MI), The Bridge (NY), Canterbury GC (OH), Lakota Links (CO), Montauk Downs (NY), Sedge Valley (WI)

MCirba

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #76 on: January 13, 2022, 07:08:38 AM »
Philly guys ,,,, do the Eagles upset the Goat this weekend….?


Rick,


My football prognostication abilities are woefully inept.  I will say that it's relaxing and enjoyable to play with house money but I'll be sure to take my BP meds on Sunday.  Go Birds!
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

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Steve Lapper

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2022, 07:28:57 AM »

Professor Cirba,
My mainline experience in the Philly area only comes in two flavors: Leafy, lyrical suburbs - or stuck in the arm of a dead junkie.

Don't forget what I do for a living.

I gotta admit to the guilty pleasure of tuning into lunatic sports-talk radio, once I get within 60 miles of your "Brotherly Love" down the Jersey Turnpike.


It actually makes me feel good about our homeless meth-heads out west, at least they don’t throw snowballs at Santa Claus, or are those just Eagles fans?


And Mike, as one of the guys who whines about my political snotosity, maybe you can join the Three Stooges who send me nastygrams and make it a foursome. I was thinking about designating you Shemp, but Curly was the bald one.


No matter how badly you want it to be true, no compass points true north . . . . not even yours. 

Don’t forget, when the proletariat come for the bourgeoise, the only choice left for guys who brag about notching 863 private clubs will be between the gallows and a guillotine. 

   



  Ahh, how could yet another day go by without our resident blowhard projecting more pontification from his not-so-lofty perch out West? What would we do without yet another ad hominem attack on one of GCA's most constructive and decent posters?


 Forget the hypocrisy of his continuing to live in a land he so easily derides as some kind of politically zombieland. I don't see any Mosihe Movers trucks backing up to the Papazian Ranch. He now wants to trash the City of Brotherly Love. For him it's almost always only a binary world of "leafy" bliss or "dead junkie" addiction. In Gib's anger-addled mind, there are only two dichotic poles of observation or beliefs. Apparently, his beloved University of Spoiled Children neglected to teach him much beyond first-level thinking. With such a handicap, perhaps we should reserve some sympathy for his delusional rants? Maybe, maybe not?


 Taking a shot at Philly sports fan's behavior is entirely fair and reasonable. Heck, even Mike Cirba has always (as long as I've known him) well acknowledged Philly phanship (didn't want Gib to live alone in inventing new words) is a bloodsport. Mike's love for his beloved Eagles maybe for the birds, but at least it's genuine and unwavering. That's more than can be said for most California sports fans.

  Maybe it would be easier for Gib to understand such a cultural behavior if he spent more time re-watching Mad Max movies instead of some (of his own) irrelevant art-house ego-driven junk? How can you be considered a good judge of modern culture if you don't indulge in it from time-to-time?


 FWIW, I'll take Mike Cirba's moral compass (flawed or otherwise) and human decency 101 out of a hundred times every day ending in Y. Mike doesn't need to attack or put down others to make a point. His contributions here speak for themselves and don't need double-spaced, large font, type to further the constructive conversation and the original intent of GCA.com.

 Lastly, if you want him to be Curly I'll happily join that group. Something tells me we wouldn't have to limit ourselves to a foursome.....at this point, just days in 2022, I suspect we could make it a full tee-sheet outing!

PS.....I'll take the under before my personal message box finds an enfeebled profanity-laced diatribe. Anyone like the over?
« Last Edit: January 13, 2022, 08:26:34 AM by Steve Lapper »
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

A.G._Crockett

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2022, 07:59:59 AM »
Maybe ANGC. No others.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

MCirba

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2022, 08:07:40 AM »
Gib,

Love me some Curly!   Here's one even the NRA would heartily approve of.   https://youtu.be/sN1eNKGbbXY

Despite the protestations, you're welcome to Philly any time and hopefully we can play the restored Cobb's Creek for the real Philly Dilly.

And, if the proletariat is going to come after the working class grandson of a Czech emigre who was killed in the coal mines when my dad (the youngest of 3 boys) was six weeks old, then all is indeed lost with them and their "burn everything down" mindless mindset exemplified tragically over the previous four years is our sad future.

Have a good day.
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

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Gib_Papazian

Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #80 on: January 13, 2022, 09:23:21 AM »
Mike,


Great stuff! Love it - the final scene reminds me of an average day outside the Philly produce market.


Truth be told, I'll agree with TD - those leafy suburbs likely have the highest concentration of legitimately great golf courses on the planet.


You are, of course, beyond welcome at Olympic should you come west and wade into what is left of San Francisco . If you've not seen Kyle's redo at Cal Club, it is fabulous - we can dine in Burlingame, since Her Redness and I have been smash & grabbed in the city three times . . . . in broad daylight no less.


It has got to be 20 years since we teed it up, right?


Speaking of bourgeois, $1,000 for a bottle of Scotch? All four of my grandparents were chased out of Armenia - families split up, grandma ended up in a German orphanage before they all came through Ellis Island (one Grandpa came through Boston). Clearly, I am in the wrong business.


If I ever brought home a $1,000 bottle of ANYTHING, the only person to get the guillotine would be me!


Speaking of Bolsheviks, after we tee it up, the local irrelevant arthouse is running a fresh print of Reds. Storaro won the Oscar for Best Cinematography . . . . . one of my favorite pictures.


I cannot believe my 49ers are stuck going to Dallas for the Wild Card . . . . chi is not auspicious - I fear it will be Troy Aikman all over again.


You're going to have your hands full too, playing the GOAT on his home turf . . . . .     


   










   



« Last Edit: January 13, 2022, 09:25:55 AM by Gib Papazian »

Jerry Kluger

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #81 on: January 13, 2022, 09:34:33 AM »
I just looked up Kingsbarns for this year and at the current exchange rate the greens fee alone will be $467.00 - add in caddie, etc. and you are getting close to $600.  It seems that they are doing quite well so far as bookings so I would say that $1,000 for Cypress Point or ANGC doesn't look that unreasonable.

Gib_Papazian

Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #82 on: January 13, 2022, 03:14:51 PM »
Jerry,

Interesting, because the whole consumer value proposition seems to have been hopelessly perverted with trillions in fiat money floating around. In both of our companies, the disparity between the ephemeral pittance of money given to the hoi polloi - relative to their bottom-line purchasing power - has not even begun to keep up with what looks like a catastrophic rate of inflation.

$1,000 seems "reasonable" because it is not an apples to apples comparison with even a year or two ago - after the smoke clears, maybe a different story.

If the intent of all these relief payments was intended to keep (borrowing a movie term) those "below the line" from getting slowly eroded into a death-spiral of insolvency, it seems to have completely backfired and this phony-ass golf boom may be living on borrowed time.

No secret we grow, ship and distribute veggies and fruit - so have a front row seat to refute the preposterous notion that inflation metrics being reported by the idiots in Washington are on the level. In fact, I believe they have been grossly and deliberately  manipulated. Whether the intent of these outright lies is to stave off a panic-driven collapse of the economy is anybody's guess - but I just paid $90 to fill up my 12 year-old small block diesel.

My freight rates to NYC (where the actual "lofty perch" manipulators ply their trade  - effectively making them immune to real-world realities) *have not* risen 9%, they have risen 40% and more. If non-discretionary items like food and energy run out of control, how much dinero is left for golf?

Go back before the Wuhan virus (there he goes again, being xenophobic) and I believe a far larger cross-section of American consumers enjoyed a revenue stream sufficient to splurge on - for instance - an occasional $250 green fee. Monies earmarked for these luxuries have largely been reallocated to make ends meet for basic living  . . . and ObamaCare ended up benefitting the insurance lobby (sneer), not your plumber or roofer.

I've got two absolutely key people battling cancer right now and spend an unbelievable amount of time fighting with Anthem since the auto-response to nearly every legitimate claim is a denial, followed by a protracted fight, which delays care etc etc. Monies that went to, uh, golf - a healthful exercise - now go towards co-pays and obscene deductibles.

By the time American workers have been bled nearly to death, there are also insufficient monies left to invest in stocks or funds, which makes this hedge against inflation impossible - further weakening the vast majority . . . .  but enrich the ghouls who produce nothing in this country aside from moving and manipulating financial data.     

I've a close, lifelong friend who recently resigned from his golf club because after busting his ass for 31 years as a manager in the retail union, what looked like a rock-solid - borderline lucrative - retirement package is being eaten up. No, he and wifey are not eating dog food with hamburger helper, but all the extra bells and whistles he earned - like golf - by necessity have been thrown overboard.

But the members at high-tone clubs - some of whom who make their money on the backs of deplorables - are riding the wave. Throw a few crumbs to the hoi polloi to keep them quiet, pay off both sides of the sewer aisle for carve-outs (and hide money offshore, since corporations also do not pay death taxes) and I'm not real bullish about the future financial health of the mid-level private clubs.

My conclusion is all this funny money - intended to keep the people who do the actual work in his country (like truck drivers) solvent as a bridge - eventually ended up enriching corporate America, who simply took advantage of this covid scam to raise prices, collude with competitors, run Main Street out of business -  and vacuum money out of the economy with impunity.

Let's say - since the system is hopelessly perverted and higher individual tax burdens cause far more harm than provide a benefit - if another 10% of the capital left out there eventually migrates into the hands of the ghouls and their minions, at what point will golf return to the decades when our sport was only available to the elites?

I'll be interested to monitor how destinations like Myrtle Beach do - that is sort of "golf's Branson" . . . . . but when mighty Bandon starts to struggle (remember, 6 courses), that will be the canary in the coal mine. 

$1,000 green fee might as well be a million at that point. I'd like to know everybody's opinion because I was asked to pen an Op-ed piece yesterday on a similar subject and not sure if my reasoning holds water under scrutiny. 

P.S. Lapper, you are not important enough to respond to. And if you are going to insult somebody, try to do it with a little panache for a change. Take the under - I've got inside information, you know how that works, right? I'll bet you do . . . . .   
 
 
« Last Edit: January 13, 2022, 07:54:11 PM by Gib Papazian »

Bruce Katona

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #83 on: January 14, 2022, 10:45:40 AM »
For my $1,000, it will be for the pleasure of knocking it around with Gib, Slapper & Archie. 


One of those guys is hosting, the grand can go to whichever charity the host decides.


To steal an old ad line this $1000 expense is - "Priceless - for everything else there's Mastercard.".

Joe_Tucholski

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #84 on: January 14, 2022, 02:21:24 PM »

One of those guys is hosting, the grand can go to whichever charity the host decides.



Bruce, a grand to charity is much different than a grand for a round of golf.


When looking at charity sites the value of the golf experience is often listed as priceless.  For donation purposes the value of the good received is supposed to be removed from the donation amount.  I've wondered how this works for the priceless valuation. 


When I've purchased golf through a charity auction I've never considered it a donation to the charity and instead simply considered it a way to purchase the round of golf.

Adam Lawrence

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #85 on: January 14, 2022, 04:42:19 PM »
I wouldn't. Golf isn't worth that much to me.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2022, 10:40:18 PM »
Isn’t Ohoopee $1000 a day (incl lodging and food)?

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: What courses would you pay $1000 to play?
« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2022, 04:11:16 AM »
I wouldn't. Golf isn't worth that much to me.


I don't know.


The bragging rights and selfies from having played Augusta would probably be worth a grand.


If part of the deal was I couldn't tell anyone about it - no way!