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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2022, 09:47:14 AM »
I don't know that I've read such a diverse wrap of Americana in one thread. I waited to comment until now. Thank you for sharing all that you did. We come from diverse backgrounds, and many are reluctant to share their provenance. I think that you have a kindred spirit in writer Michael Croley, both in background and brothers. Have a read: https://golf.com/news/features/augusta-national-bond-never-be-broken/


I've not yearned to play Pebble Beach. Bandon Dunes and Chambers Bay took that need away from me. I was supposed to visit the area in 2K15, when I was on sabbatical, but Robert Louis Stevenson School had to cancel my stay in the 11th hour (no one's fault) and I adjusted my arc. Your piece is about the people, and for me, golf is at least as much about the people as it is the course. Thank you again.
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Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2022, 08:08:45 PM »
I don't know that I've read such a diverse wrap of Americana in one thread. I waited to comment until now. Thank you for sharing all that you did. We come from diverse backgrounds, and many are reluctant to share their provenance. I think that you have a kindred spirit in writer Michael Croley, both in background and brothers. Have a read: https://golf.com/news/features/augusta-national-bond-never-be-broken/


I've not yearned to play Pebble Beach. Bandon Dunes and Chambers Bay took that need away from me. I was supposed to visit the area in 2K15, when I was on sabbatical, but Robert Louis Stevenson School had to cancel my stay in the 11th hour (no one's fault) and I adjusted my arc. Your piece is about the people, and for me, golf is at least as much about the people as it is the course. Thank you again.


 Thank you Ronald for your kind comments.




Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2022, 08:19:56 PM »





 Pebble Beach beCame a special place to me. Not just for the golf, I loved the area. Dinner at Pacific Grove. The sidewalks inCarmel and the squirrels on the beach. I went in December for a few years straight. It was something to look forward to every year and a way I rewarded myself.


 The more I played the course the more I appreciated the genius of the routing. The holes may lack greatness as a whole but the routing is superior

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2022, 08:49:32 PM »
 
 I was asked to play in the member/guest at the local country club as a guest. My partner and I did not participate in any of the lunches or dinners because his wife objected to me telling him I was “too single”. He regretted asking me. It was very uncomfortable. He didn’t show up to a practice round so I was pared with DW. An older member.


 DW was overweight and slow and barely picked up his feet when he walked. But he was very likable and I enjoyed the 9 holes I played with him. At some point in our golf we started talking about college football. DW asked me of all the places I would want to see a game where would it be. Of course I said Norte Dame.


 A couple weeks after the member/guest DW walked into my office. He had dates of Norte Dame games and asked me which ones were good for me. It blew my mind. I picked the Air Force game and in the fall we went.


 DW introduced me to his friend in the Norte Dame athelic department when we got there. Before at the hotel I hat to set him on the toilet and fix his hair. This young man had everything set up for us. We \were treated like kings. We had absolutely nothing to offer or to benefit this man. No way we could ever repay him, but he treated
an old man and his friend as kings.


 DW and I were given the front table at the coaches luncheon. Dan Devine spoke. We had passes to the tents. And he took us on the sidelines before the game. This man blessed people that could never bless him back.


 The next year or the year later DW and I went back. DW got us tickets through The university of Tennessee. In the airport waiting for a connector an announcement was made if people gave up their seats since it was overbooked a free ticket would be available. I told DW “let’s do it and use that ticket to go to Pebble Beach in December”. DW agreed.


 The man that treated us so well was James Phillips. Now the Commissioner of the ACC.



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Jim_Coleman

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Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2022, 08:52:17 PM »
   What am I missing here?

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2022, 08:59:02 PM »
   What am I missing here?


A reading requirement.

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2022, 09:29:12 PM »



 DW and made it to Pebble Beach. But it wasn’t that simple. DW had contacts at Tennessee and they were highly ranked and it looked they would play for the National championship in the rose Bowl. So we arranged the trip to include the Rose Bowl and Pebble Beach. Fantastic what a dream. So our trip turned into more than a week.


 Then something terrible happened. Tennessee got upset by LSU in the SEC championship game and now the Rose Bowl was off for us. But we already had hotels and tee times.


 We stared in LA. We visited the family I had met previously in pebble beach. DW struggled getting to the top floor of their house in Marina Del Rey.


 After a couple days in LA we drove up the cosast to Pebble Beach.


 DW had many friends in college and pro sports. He was a pleasant and unthreatening man. Never met a stranger.


 DW worked in a paper mill near chattanooga. One of his coworkers had a son that went to Alabama to play football. The son would end up backing up Joe Namath and later leading Alabama to two national Championships. DW would go to the games with his coworker. The son Steve Sloan had a roommate named Jackie Sherrill.


 Wherever Jackie Sherrill went DW was welcomed. I would meet Jackie in the hallway before games and he would give me sideline passes and make sure I would take care of “the old man”. One year DW got knocked over the Gatorade table at the Peach Bowl. I would promise Jackie and he would give me the sideline passes.

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2022, 04:00:54 PM »





 DW and I made it up the coast trying to hug the water. We both saw things we had never seen before. The Hurst Castle, Malabo, Pepperdine and for him Big Sur. It was peaceful other than DW being his overly talkative self.
 We listen to a few cassette tapes when he wasn’t talking.


 When certain key lyrics to songs came oh I would point to DW and he would belt them out. Dirty White Boy was one of our favorites. When I pointed he would scream “dirty white boy”. The best was Wearwolves in London. DW would howl on que.  This happened at a red light. We did not realize the was a police car next to us. The car pulled up a little and the police looked over at us. I made sure I didn’t que him again.


 The next day was rainy. I decided to try to golf DW decided to make friends. I was paired with a father and son and a guy the worked with. Gentlemen golfers.  DW came to the first tee box to see us off. He stood extremely close to the father when he teed off. Horrible shot I told him to retee and placed DW at the back of the tee box.


 The son was very cordial. I asked if he had played the course before. He said it was his high school’s home course. He was very humble and lived there. All their golf balls had jelly on them. He said it was his family’s company. He was in his mid 20s and great to golf with as we laughed at our errant shots.


 After we holed out on 14 DW showed up in a golf cart with an employee driving. He wanted to hit my tee shot on 15. I told him to be very careful walking up the slope. We hit the tee balls then I held DW’s arm as we went down the tee box. As I was taking in the awesome view of number 6 and the cove I heard a splat and could no longer feel DW on my arm.


 I looked down and DW left foot appeared to be lodged in his left ear. I immediately feared the worse possible thing. I was going to have to get him up.


 The young man and I got his out from underneath his body. Nothing seemed broken or dislocated. He said he thought he was ok. Then horrible words came out of his mouth.  ‘Help me up”


 The young man and I fought his weight and every time we had DW up part way his legs slid and we ended up further down the tee box. After several futile attempts I finally told my gook friend DW “If you don’t get up this time I’m going to have to roll you down to the bottom of the hill”.


 DW said he needed a scotch. What a horrible time and place to start drinking. Then the father said he means for his feet. So driver of the golf cart and the other player put their feet in front of DWs and it worked. I think we all needed a scotch after that.







Michael Moore

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Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2022, 05:30:38 PM »
This thread (yes, the wheels came off) coincides with my fourth reading of A Fan's Notes by Frederick Exley. The book toggles between long visits to a psychiatric hospital and drunken adventures with a motley assortment of seemingly imagined sidekicks. It's one of the great memoirs and rises very far above the cliches associated with the drunken novelist while at times indulging in them.
 
Ludicrously attired in a straw boater, a red suede vest making his stomach look like a rubescent mosquito’s ripe for bursting, his faded and frayed Levi’s, and a pair of glossy paratrooper boots, on entering the place he would make a direct, nearly maniacal line for the biggest assemblage of talkers at the bar, an assemblage that on spotting him seemed to shrivel visibly, to grow troubled and wan, to exude an unmistakable aura of sniffling recoil . . . Bumpy approached them forthrightly. With a furious flick of his fingers, he undid their bow ties. He gave them unsignaled, “playful” punches on their arms. He cuffed them affectionately on the back of the head. To those sitting on barstools facing him, their legs propped up and slightly spread, he reached up near the groin and ferociously gave them “chummy” little pinches on the inner thigh that drained the blood from their faces. Ordering drinks from the bartender, Bumpy bellowed, “Give us a drink here, you big ape!” and thereupon disdainfully threw a fifty-dollar bill on the bar. Without the least heed to what their previous conversation might have been, Bumpy immediately began telling the dreadful jokes he had “stored up” for me during the week.
 
Is there a golf novel that captures the discourse, the drinking, the utter frustration, the insane characters both new and familiar, etc.?
Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2022, 06:43:09 AM »



 I went back and forth with DW on wether he should see a doctor. Couldn’t tell if his ankle was swollen because his ankles always look swollen.


 I kept it iced down. He kept mentioning if he should see a doctor and when he did I said “let’s go”. Then he said no. This happened numerous times. I had to get up in the middle of the night to changed his ice. He was always high maintenance and now we had reached a new level. Always slow but now he was a slow cripple. I golfed the next day and then we checked into a hotel in Monterrey. I had has a couple days of being a home health care worker and I was fatigued.


 We did not have clean clothes so I went to the concierge to get laundry bags and the location of a laundry mat. Doing laundry would give me time away from my health care duties.


 I sat down at the concierge desk and asked for laundry bags. Ended up having a conversation with her. She was a woman of color, pleasant smile and exotic. So I married her. She was from Fiji and soon I would be watching Kuch Kuch Hota Hai.

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2022, 02:47:46 PM »





 I was fortunate to get multiple plays being married to someone from Monterey. And I did a couple buddy trips.


 For the average golfer I would assume the Pebble Beach is the holy grail. Bandon wasn’t thought of then. Most of us had never heard of Pine Valley. We didn’t call the AGusta National by its proper named. We called the course The Masters. We were ignorant about great golf courses and golf locations but we all knew about Pebble Beach.


 Seems like the more I played it the less awesome the architecture became. But it never became less special.


 The first hole takes the driver away.


 The second I view similar to 18 at Carnoustie. I like it has a par 4 where yo have to clear a hazzard with a long club but have room for the ball to roll out. Most greens won’t hold a shot with a wood from players that can’t get the ball high in the air.


 I love the 3rd. The further right makes the green more difficult to hit.


 The 4th is beautiful. Emphasizes wedge play. It’s the first look at the water. The routing is perfect. Three holes to get warmed up before the beauty of the place hits you in the face. I believe they have bunkered this hole now so it’s not the same.


 The 5th allows for the kick off the bank. I love green that play that way.


 The 6th is breathtaking. Again I believe it’s been bunkered more and a few of the trees on the right are missing. I had never seen trees like that before.


 The 7th is special. In the middle of the night don’t be standing in the middle of the green with an iced drambouie unless you want hit with jet powered sprinklers from every angle.


 8th one of my favorite holes in golf. Could never par it.


 9th very difficult for me. Never on in two.
 
 10 I just wanted to walk it slowly. Take in the nature.  One Christmas I had the first tee time. My -laying partner hit a guy on a mower when he pulled his tee bball way left.


 11 gets many complaints but it may be the hole that plays the most like target golf. The angle of the second shot has to be inline with the green. And it’s got a lot of poison in its head. May be the most difficult green to put.


 12 most people hate. I don’t like it but I had the perfect club for it.


 13 has a nice view.


 14 tuff green to hit with long club. But should not have to use one. I love the different options to pin -lacements.


 15 has the steepest tee boxes. The fairway bunkers make me want to puke. Does one have steps now?


 16 has a nice tee shot for a left to right hitter. The trees on the left are a thing of beauty.


 17 the green needs to be expanded. I agree with recent views you should not have to put of a gree or chip on a green. Love this hole into the wind


 18 is iconic, signature and fun. More bunkers have been added here too. Lot of happy people shaking hands and hugging on this green.
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Matthew Rose

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Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2022, 02:49:13 AM »
I guess it is all relative. I'm of modest means, who grew up on muni golf and has never had the ability to take golf trips. Generally I'm allowed to indulge myself once on a family vacation; my wife and kids don't play although I think they would like to. It's hard to get my boys off the computer screens.

I played competitive golf in high school but this was spring in Wisconsin and it was often on soggy, muddy, uneven goat tracks in the middle of corn fields and dairy farms. Pebble is a playing field that you dream about when sitting home on a cold February day in the upper midwest.

I think much of my own interest in architecture is because a lot of it I've never seen in the flesh.... I saw a lot of Robert Bruce Harris growing up, so, round greens, round bunkers, built for maintenance, that kind of thing.

Pebble really was a dream... for me *the* moment was waiting on the 6th tee; I think that was when I knew that I was really there.
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Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2022, 06:42:38 AM »
I guess it is all relative. I'm of modest means, who grew up on muni golf and has never had the ability to take golf trips. Generally I'm allowed to indulge myself once on a family vacation; my wife and kids don't play although I think they would like to. It's hard to get my boys off the computer screens.

I played competitive golf in high school but this was spring in Wisconsin and it was often on soggy, muddy, uneven goat tracks in the middle of corn fields and dairy farms. Pebble is a playing field that you dream about when sitting home on a cold February day in the upper midwest.

I think much of my own interest in architecture is because a lot of it I've never seen in the flesh.... I saw a lot of Robert Bruce Harris growing up, so, round greens, round bunkers, built for maintenance, that kind of thing.

Pebble really was a dream... for me *the* moment was waiting on the 6th tee; I think that was when I knew that I was really there.


 Thank you for sharing Mathew.




Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2022, 07:02:57 AM »



 The marriage struggled from the start. She had two children. A son in fifth grade and a daughter in fourth. I understood why people stay together for the kids.


 I would take Pablo golfing with me. He loved gold and loved watching him love golf. But he was very troubled understandably. His father had passed before he was born with a drug overdose. We had to put Pablo in a boys school. It was reasonable close to our home. I rounded up some clubs and golf balls and made a driving range for the kids. Pablo was doing great but the marriage could not survive.


 My wife would cause scenes in public and she caused one with my gracious friends from Scotland. I was lying in bed in the Sleve Donnard unable to sleep and decided it was time to separate. At 2AM a group came down the hallway singing “Take me home country roads”. It was a sign from god that I needed to divorce her.


 We divorced after we got back and a few years later Pablo died of a drug overdose same as his father. In his obituary it said he loved golf. I was the only one that took him golfing.


 I saw that Tiger Woods had redesigned The Hay. Pablo and I many hours there.


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Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2022, 06:57:27 PM »



 Tried to keep the divorce peaceful my wife and still were amicable and friendly. We discussed getting away from the stress and take a trip. That usually included golf. I had not played Teeth of the Dog so we went to the Dominican Republic. A place that would almost cost me every thing in life.


 I have always been easy to caddy for and as a single golfer spent more time fellowshiping with them. Casa de Campo is isolated and not much local culture.  My soon to be X wife and I had dinner with my caddy and his wife. Ironically he and I knew people in the church. I live in a town that has headquarters of a few denominations and those were active in the Dominican Republic. After my divorce and her returning to Monterrey with the spoils of war I returned to the Dominican Republic and became active in the churches.  My caddy took me to church we’re the pastor was a former caddy at the Teeth of the Dog. He has a daughter who was a women of color, had a pleasant smile and was exotic. So I married her.


 I couple years later we went to pebble beach for a family thanksgiving. The father was a 3 handicapper and only cared about his score. I learned from watching him play how simple golf could be. You pointed to were he needed to hit it and he would simply hit it there. He had zero swing thought. He just hit it where to you told him.


 If he was within 50 yards he would say “I think I make it”. And he would try to hole out. I never played with him when he did not chip in once and hole a putt from over 25 feet.


  I was fortunate to bring my parents along and a college who had paid my way many times in college.


 Papi chipped in on number 11 from behind the green with the pin in the back. An impossible shot.

Tim Leahy

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Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2022, 08:21:43 PM »
Anthony is this thread a beginning manuscript for your soon to be published book? Because it certainly could be. I would buy it. ;D
Maybe you and Gib could collaborate on something. A cross between Hemingway and Hunter Thompson. ::)
I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2022, 08:39:09 PM »
Anthony is this thread a beginning manuscript for your soon to be published book? Because it certainly could be. I would buy it. ;D
Maybe you and Gib could collaborate on something. A cross between Hemingway and Hunter Thompson. ::)



 Thanks Tim. I need Gibs help with my spellage. I haven’t got to the good parts yet.

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2022, 08:42:10 PM »



 I want to thank everyone for the PMs and texts and phone calls supporting this thread.


 Despite Pebble Beach’s deficiencies in architecture it’s a superior golf experience. Pebble Beach is much more than a long drive, sinking a long putt or an u- and down from the sand. It’s simple PEBBLE BEACH.


 I was fortunate to experience with family and friends. Fortunate to watch others experience their dreams. Fortunate to bless others and repay them for blessing me.


 What other courses in the US stir that passion?


 Lou knew that I had played it. And when his girlfriend asked him what he really wanted for his 40th birthday he replayed “to play pebble beach “.


 And she called me. It would be an honor to make the arrangements for Lou to fulfill a dream. Little league baseball Lou played for Fulks Sporting Goods and I played for Producers Dairy. In Jerry West basketball league Lou played for Furbee’s Pharmacy and I played for 3C Tool. Now we would be playing Pebble Beach together.




Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2022, 09:20:38 PM »



 So Lou and I get to Pebble Beach and the day finally comes to play.  We have a later tee time so there is no rush.


 I have a very stiff neck from work and the flight. In a couple years I would get the Bolts in my vertebrae to help the pain. Bolts and pins and a few plastic rubber pieces.


 As I said before Lou is always fashionable. And very private.


I went for a walk and when I came back Lou was in the shower. I knew better than to walk in. I opened the balcony doors and the curtians to allow the fresh breeze to come in. No air conditioning in The Lodge. So I sat on the couch and watched TV which was over the fireplace in a position difficult to view for a person needing bolts in his neck. Lou got out of the shower and had a towel rapped around his girth and went to his bed.


 On his bed was laid out an assortment of golf wardrobe possibilities. Lou asked me for my fashion opinions. Would he wear shorts with a windbreaker or long pants with a vest. Or some other combination. I did my best to help Lou with his fashion delima because after all this was PEBBLE BEACH and Lou needed to look good.


 

Garland Bayley

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Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2022, 10:15:44 PM »
...
 On his bed was laid out an assortment of golf wardrobe possibilities. Lou asked me for my fashion opinions. Would he wear shorts with a windbreaker or long pants with a vest. Or some other combination. I did my best to help Lou with his fashion delima because after all this was PEBBLE BEACH and Lou needed to look good.

What? No knickers? How can he be in his most sartorial splendor without knickers?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2022, 10:32:07 PM »
At a minimum, he needed some great socks.




"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2022, 10:51:49 PM »
...
 On his bed was laid out an assortment of golf wardrobe possibilities. Lou asked me for my fashion opinions. Would he wear shorts with a windbreaker or long pants with a vest. Or some other combination. I did my best to help Lou with his fashion delima because after all this was PEBBLE BEACH and Lou needed to look good.

What? No knickers? How can he be in his most sartorial splendor without knickers?


 His shorts look like knickers

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2022, 10:52:34 PM »
At a minimum, he needed some great socks.




 I would have thought orange

Anthony Gray

Re: Pebble Beach on your 40th birthday
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2022, 09:01:20 PM »





 I got sidetracked.


 So Lou had gotten out of the shower, had a towel wrapped around him looking at his clothes options on the bed and I was on the couch with a very stiff neck watching the television above the fireplace. There was a nice cool breeze coming through the room because I had opened the deck doors and curtains. I was at peace.


 Then my serenity was violently interrupted.


 I heard the scampering of feet galloping through the room. Then Lou’s face appeared beside my left shoulder. He was enraged. I had limited neck movement so I turned my whole body toward a verbal assault. Lou was livid. And I was at a loss on why the day a person that would play Pebble Beach for the first time could be so unhappy.


 So I politely asked Lou “What’s wrong’


 Lou responded “you opened the door!!!!’ And yes. I had opened the door to the deck. That was true.


 I replied “ it’s ok Lou, I opened the door”


 Then Lou responded with spittle hitting my face “there is a woman on the deck!!!!”. So apparently there was a woman that was out on her deck close to our room.


 I said to Lou “it’s ok. I opened the door, there is a woman on the deck. It’s ok Lou”.


 Lou with steam coming out of his ears “ She was looking at me!!!! ‘


 I replied trying to deescalate “It’s ok Lou, the door is open, there is a woman on the deck, and she is looking at you. It’s ok Lou. No big deal”.


 Lou then shouted. ‘It’s not WHEN YOUR ARE DRYING YOUR ASS WITH A TOWELL”.


 And there we have it. The moment that is engrained in your mind forever on the day you play Pebble Beach with your childhood friend that is there to celebrate his 40th birthday.


 Is it the first tee? Or getting over the barranca in in two on the second hole? Or that nice fade off the third tee ? Seeing the ocean for the first time on 4? Or the massive 6th hole? Or the timeless 7th? The second shot on 8? The meeting of land and sea on 9? The beach comers on 10? The three puts on 14? The childhood memories on 17? Or the tears and a hug on 18? 




 None of those. The most endearing memory of the the day I played pebble beach with Lou my childhood friend was him drying his ass with a towell when he looked up and saw a woman in the distance on a deck looking at him. The full Monty.


  Done.
 


 

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