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Richard_Mandell

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Re: Richard Mandell's Principles of Golf Course Architecture
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2022, 10:09:04 AM »
Ira,


Both holes at Nairn are pretty straightforward and the 14th really doesn't utilize any features.  The green location for 15 is just a good use of another high point.  I wouldn't consider them anything special, let alone Quirky.


Mark,


17 at TPC Sawgrass isn't Quirky at all.  It is completely manufactured by choice.  Different yes.  Quirky no.


Considering all these holes brought up in discussion makes my point that the term Quirk is used way too often.  I'm not saying that Ira and Mark use them too much, I am just saying that all of what people may want to label Quirk is just interesting design.

Anthony Gray

Re: Richard Mandell's Principles of Golf Course Architecture
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2022, 10:20:36 AM »
Ira,


Both holes at Nairn are pretty straightforward and the 14th really doesn't utilize any features.  The green location for 15 is just a good use of another high point.  I wouldn't consider them anything special, let alone Quirky.


Mark,


17 at TPC Sawgrass isn't Quirky at all.  It is completely manufactured by choice.  Different yes.  Quirky no.


Considering all these holes brought up in discussion makes my point that the term Quirk is used way too often.  I'm not saying that Ira and Mark use them too much, I am just saying that all of what people may want to label Quirk is just interesting design.


 You have made a very good pions Richard that there is a difference between quirk and a gimmick. Quirk yes, gimmick no.

Mark_Fine

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Re: Richard Mandell's Principles of Golf Course Architecture
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2022, 11:05:06 AM »

Synonyms for Quirky


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ward peyronnin

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Re: Richard Mandell's Principles of Golf Course Architecture
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2022, 11:21:31 AM »
I am probably out of place standing on the toes of you luminaries but I do very much appreciate quirck and just can't help trying to contribute.
Tain  has an example, the third, I believe of a livestock fence( read wall) with stile running across the hole approximately 20 yards short of the green and requires a shot landing just over the fence if the course is running.
While touring Tain a par four on the back , 15 I believe, presents a landing area riddled with many dining room table sized depressions that are wickedly imposing and towards the end of the front nine another 4 , the Mae West, presents two enormous mounds fronting the blind green with a bunker at their base requiring a blue sky blast between the cleavage; titillating golf.
And I would be remiss not to inquire whether the 14th at my Cruden Bay idyll is an example of this Quirk concept
"Golf is happiness. It's intoxication w/o the hangover; stimulation w/o the pills. It's price is high yet its rewards are richer. Some say its a boys pastime but it builds men. It cleanses the mind/rejuvenates the body. It is these things and many more for those of us who truly love it." M.Norman

ward peyronnin

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Re: Richard Mandell's Principles of Golf Course Architecture
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2022, 11:23:10 AM »
I forgot to ask. Is there a preorder option?
"Golf is happiness. It's intoxication w/o the hangover; stimulation w/o the pills. It's price is high yet its rewards are richer. Some say its a boys pastime but it builds men. It cleanses the mind/rejuvenates the body. It is these things and many more for those of us who truly love it." M.Norman

Richard_Mandell

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Re: Richard Mandell's Principles of Golf Course Architecture
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2022, 12:05:42 PM »
Ward,


The plan is to go to print on February 15th for a May 15th release.  In the coming weeks we will be working on pre-order mechanisms.  In the meantime, you can email me so I can be sure to notify you when we will begin taking pre-orders at:  richard@golf-architecture.com


Tony Dear

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Re: Richard Mandell's Principles of Golf Course Architecture
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2022, 04:39:26 PM »
Richard, this is absolutely fascinating. I grew up on a flattish, clay course half an hour south of London where there was no quirk, at least nothing I regarded as such. I think I got my first taste at St. Enodoc which my dad and I played often on holiday. The rumpled fairway at the 1st was unlike anything I had seen before (instantly fell in love with it), but I didn't really regard it as quirky because I'd read that sort of thing was common/usual/standard on links courses. The approach between the dunes at the 2nd was, again, weird and fun to me but not really quirky. The 3rd, likewise, was very different and perhaps my favorite hole for many years (since overtaken by the 16th) but not really quirky. The 6th with the Himalaya Bunker was obviously very strange, beautiful, amazing, weird and yes quirky to me, but I think from a young age the first hole I regarded as quirky was the 4th...but I didn't know why.
Have you played St. Enodoc? And does any of this make sense, or do I have to think some more on what quirk actually is?
You think there is a clear definition, but might it also be in the eye of the beholder? Also, where on a golf course does quirk happen most often?
« Last Edit: January 10, 2022, 04:47:22 PM by Tony Dear »
Tony

Richard_Mandell

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Re: Richard Mandell's Principles of Golf Course Architecture
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2022, 11:51:53 AM »
Tony,


I have played St. Enodoc and think it is fantastic.  I do think there is a clear definition as it applies to golf architecture.  But, as golf architecture really is "in the eye of the beholder" (or this website wouldn't exist), I agree that the experience of Quirk is also in the eye of the beholder.  Even if one were to dissect its definition and apply it to golf architecture (as I have done), one can easily disagree, evidenced by Mark Fine's synonyms for Quirky.