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Andy Shulman

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2021, 09:58:35 PM »
With trips to Northern Michigan and New Hampshire, I thought I'd had a "decent" year....until I saw what others have been up to, playing more new courses than the total number of rounds I played!  Anywhere, here goes (in the order in which I played them):


  • Bear Trap Dunes (3)
  • Lewisburg Elks (4) - Here's one you never see mentioned on GCA.  It's about 15 minutes from The Greenbrier, with several holes on very challenging land.  But, there are also a handful of fun, memorable and quirky holes - #14 will remind you of #3 (Crow's Nest) at Shiskine and you hit your tee shot on #18 right over the 17th green!
  • Mountain Shadows (4) - A cool concept for an 18-hole par-3 course that's well executed.
  • The Loop: Red (6) - Another cool concept and quite a few memorable holes.  Don't shoot me, but we were staying 90 minutes away, so I didn't make it back to play the Black. 
  • Belvedere (6) - Outstanding greens and a great vibe.
  • Marquette Greywalls (6) - A spectacular front nine, but not my cup of tea.
  • Hooper (8 ) - Put aside the so-so conditioning; this place is a gem with amazing greens.
  • Cape Arundel (6) - Like Belvedere, a great vibe and fun, challenging greens.
  • Kilmarlic (3) - Definitely the better of the two I played on the Outer Banks...but that's not saying much.
  • Sea Scape (2) - Thankfully, I did play it in a scramble.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2021, 10:01:53 PM by Andy Shulman »

jeffwarne

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #76 on: November 29, 2021, 11:51:11 PM »
An interesting year with no overseas trips till September.


Courses I saw for first time
St. Patrick's-(2 plays)  9 (amazing course and views-only thing keeping it from a 10 are a few difficult walks,but that's the price of some views) I prefer it to many courses rated ahead of it after its remarkable debut at 55 in world.
Southern Pines (2 plays)          7 (pretty raw condition but plenty of fun tee shots and interesting greens)
Tree Farm                  ? great site and great work so far
Renovation at Narin and Portnoo(have played it many times before)-this made me sad-I'm hoping I was just not observing very well that day.


Courses i saw again-having a 22 year old son who recently caught the golf bug led me to return to some amazing GCA rated places I don't normally seek out(having been fortunate enough to play them already several times)
Goat Hill-many times 5
Southampton 6.5
Palmetto 7
Aiken GC 6
Augusta CC  5 (hopefully they get the ship turned around on yet another renovation in May-there's a 7  in there somewhere)
Fisher's Island  9
Friar's Head(2x) 7
NGLA(2x) 9
Maidstone 8
Shinnecock 8
Cradle-3-(mats and 60 yard shots)
Portsalon 7.5 (just have a soft spot there)
Northwest Golf Club 6.5
Dunfanaghy 5
Cruit 5
Rosapenna OTM 6.5
Rosapenna Sandy Links 6.5 (I have never rated it this high but it is so improved and has many great holes-potential to be a 7 plus)
Huntington CC 6.5
Engineers  7
Old Oaks 6-much improved
Bethpage Red 6
Fresh Meadow 5.5
North Hills 3.5
Rolling Hills 4
Rockaway Hunt Club 6
The Hamlet 1
Cold Spring 5
Wolf Point 8
Memorial Park 6.5
Midland Country Club 3
Pine Ridge 4
Shennecossett 6
Islands End 3.5
Forest Hills Augusta 4(formerly a 6)
Nice list Jeff, I didn't realize you retired to play golf.  ;)


Business ;)
To be fair many were competitive rounds even if many of the scores weren't ;)
« Last Edit: November 30, 2021, 01:12:32 PM by jeffwarne »
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2021, 05:58:29 AM »
From Clyde’s post it looks like a flight to Shetland might somewhat unexpectedly be in order. :)
atb
It's kind of a bummer that I keep finding all these cool places on Google Earth but he's the one who has the time to go play them!
Baldrick might say he has a cunnin’ plan. :) :) :)
Atb
« Last Edit: November 30, 2021, 01:16:44 PM by Thomas Dai »

MCirba

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2021, 12:52:40 PM »
My First 10 - (of 41 new plays to date)
***EDIT***actually my first 9 as I inadvertently included McCall Field which I had played several times prior.

Heritage Shores Club – Bridgeville, DE – 5 – With the possible exception of Wingpointe (RIP) in Utah, I found this to be the most playable, interesting golf course by the late Arthur Hills I’ve seen, even with some of the usual over-shaping that will offend purists.  Long on variety, every hole presents an interesting puzzle to be solved largely due to creative, imaginative greens set at interesting angles.
 
Old York Road Country Club – Ambler, PA – 4.5 – A typical William and David Gordon style course that are ubiquitous in the region, with very atypical sloping greens with wild interior contours.   I’m not sure they make the course better, but they sure make it more difficult.
 
Moorestown Field Club – Moorestown, NJ – 4 – A recent Kelly Moran resto makes the vintage architectural features pop on this trip back in time.   Additional tree clearing on the flat property would make it special.
 
Carlisle Barracks – Carlisle, PA – 3.5 - A military track at the historic “war college”, this course offers a few architectural surprises that combined with excellent conditioning elevate it above merely “average”, approaching “pleasant”.
 
Piney Apple Golf Course – Biglerville, PA – 1 – An amateur architect spent many years building this course as a labor of love on land unsuitable for the purpose that was formerly an apple orchard and maybe still should be.   
 
Cape Neddick Country Club – Ogunquit, ME – 3 – There are a small handful of really good golf holes here and just enough New England coastal charm to offset the awful “new nine” that is supposedly an attempt to recover Donald Ross holes lost in lean years while rebuilding them under modern environmental restrictions.
 
Wawenock Golf Club – Walpole, ME – 5.5 – A terrific, sleepy Stiles/Van Kleek nine that could use a loving brush-up.   The first three and last three are worth double the price of admission, although the semi-U shaped, par-five 4th is one of the oddest and most awkward holes I’ve ever seen.
 
Boothbay Harbor Country Club – Boothbay Harbor, ME – 6 - Resurrected from a tired classic-era Wayne Stiles design, Boothbay Harbor is now basically a Bruce Hepner golf course.   Blessed with an owner with deep pockets and a will to move heaven and earth to create good golf holes, Boothbay is only ultimately held back by a very hilly site that makes walking a challenge and the creation of great golf holes an edgy proposition.
 
Northeast Harbor Golf Club – Northeast Harbor, ME – 5 A very low-key, turn-of-last-century club in a gorgeous Acadia National Park setting, I had hoped to find hidden treasure.   It turns out that using dynamite to blast out and fashion golf holes in 1915 led to some overly narrow, densely wooded, tightly cramped hole corridors on the mountain, although the five par threes are all gems, particularly the 12th.
 
 
« Last Edit: December 01, 2021, 10:28:00 AM by MCirba »
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James Brown

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2021, 01:08:21 PM »
Interesting year for golf travel.  Cancelled a second consecutive trip to the UK this year and still (again) planning a trip to Scotland and back to Dornoch next July.  Fingers crossed.


This year, I played for the first time:


Homestead Cascades:  7
Sand Valley:  8
Mammoth Dunes:  7
Whistling Straits:  7
Lawsonia:  6 (interesting, but less than I expected)
Ford Plantation:  6 (but way more than I expected)
CC of Maryland:  6 (a real golden era classic that was unexpected)




Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2021, 02:27:42 PM »
C.C. of Buffalo - 9
I was very fortunate to have the opportunity to play C.C. of Buffalo with a couple of their PGA assistant professionals, and I was very impressed. Ross did a a wonderful job routing the golf course to take full advantage of the quarry and ground movement. I had several options on just about every shot I played, a hallmark of a good golf course, in my estimation. It played very firm and fast, and the strong wind today made it even more fun. All 18 greens are excellent and the course has four very strong par-3s, highlighted by their famous Volcano hole, No. 6. I’ll be reflecting on my round for a long time. It’s so pure.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQpDbC-ty4m/

Wilshire - 8

Wilshire is an absolute blast to play. The design (and setup) provides players limitless options, even when out of position. It requires lots of strategy and allows golfers to take risks for rewards, but also gives higher handicappers safer routes to the greens. The ground movement is wonderful, bold but not flashy, and used to perfection in the superior routing. Wilshire has quite the collection of par-3s. This photo collection includes Nos. 7, 10, 4, 13, and 4 and 10 again. Each is unique in their own rights. Nos. 4, 7, and 10 all feature very elongated greens with various widths, with No. 10 perhaps being the most extreme (in a wonderful way). No 13 had a double green, which is almost always fun. In recounting my round yesterday, the 3s really stood out.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CV28jKZJHAr/ and https://www.instagram.com/p/CV31Wx7vbGv/

Hidden Creek - 7
I loved it. The greens are very fun, engaging, and challenging, and I love that so many are at grade level. Wide corridors make for fun shots. It’s a beautiful golf course.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CWPUEdrtd6C/

Applebrook - 7
Lots of options, the the ground game being one of the most valuable. The course (and our match) kept me engaged the whole round.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU00n5wN_NN/

Bidermann - 7
Bidermann is equal parts fun, strategic, challenging, and beautiful.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CV_gIiVMpfD/

Twisted Dune - 7
I was very impressed with Twisted Dunes after my first visit. It’s a lot of fun but requires a lot of concentration for each shot as there is a myriad of options. A must-play in Jersey.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMYRwboloZP/

Tavistock - 7
After hearing lots of positive reviews, and it did not let me down! The terrain, while not severe in most places, rolls plenty to provide interest on just about every shot, and the greens are very impressive. A lot to love at Tavistock.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CRumzwmttNT/

Knoll - West - 6
Believe it or not, it’s the first solo Charles Banks design I’ve played, and I was very impressed! It’s been a hot minute since I’ve played a “MacRayBanks” course...my mind typically recalls the dramatic green contours, deep bunkers, and geometric shapes, but for whatever reason, I kind of forgot how large their greens can be. My favorite part of the round today was attempting to hit approaches to the correct portion of the greens, and today’s hole locations gave us plenty to consider! Many greens at Knoll West, and certainly other Macdonald and Raynor courses I’ve visited previously are very large and feature very distinctive contours, almost creating several greens within one. If you fail to get your golf ball to stop in the correct area, you’ll likely have a tricky putt, and generally, a long one at that. If you’re able to see Knoll West, I don’t believe you’ll be disappointed. The course conditioning was fantastic, and the greens were moving, even in the heavy precipitation!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/COoeuilNpu0/

Schuylkill - 6
I was very impressed with the layout, which features a mix of Willie Park Jr. and Donald Ross designed golf holes. The holes fit the terrain beautifully and the greens are outstanding.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQUYTaDNwTe/

West Shore - 6
West Shore is a very good golf course. The holes are beautifully routed over the rolling terrain and offers a variety of drives, approaches, and putts. Pure fun.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/COtUDvPNF0p/

Huntingdon Valley (Centennial Nine) - 6
I drove by that portion of the golf course on a daily basis for my commute to PGA Magazine. I was very happy to play it and really enjoyed its greens a lot. Birdies and bogies are available!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CRaJ1K_trW2/

Union League National (Grant / Sherman) - 6
While I had never visited the property while it was known as Sand Barrens, I’ve seen photos and it’s amazing how the architects reimagined the routing. The amount of dirt moved is nothing short of impressive, but the best part of the new version of the course, in my opinion, is how it plays. The course is beautiful, and may look daunting, and while golfers will certainly find challenging shots for poor shots, our group found that “smart misses” allowed for reasonable recoveries. I tend to eventuate courses on how fun they play for golfers of all skill levels, and I believe Union League National offers fun, and challenge, for all types. Well done to the club and the architects!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CPmWbSwNCGN/

Bulle Rock - 6
The golf course presents plenty of challenge but also offers equal opportunity. I really enjoyed its greens subtleties, and particularly liked Nos. 13-18; good stretch of golf holes.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CPwxT9FNIuJ/

Moorestown Field - 6
There is a lot to love about this course, but it’s presentation may be my favorite thing from today’s round. It played very firm and fast and it was a blast. The first and seventh greens may be the closest I’ve seen two greens placed to one another, but thanks to the routing, they remain safe and do not detract from most players’ shot options. Highly recommend!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/COYv-y0MVOa/

Indian Valley - 6
I was very impressed with this Gordons layout, which features recent work by Andrew Green. Wonderful rolling terrain, and some very fun golf holes. I would definitely play it again.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTvG8iHrJHG/

Trenton - 5
Joe Bausch remarked that the course has a lot of good "half-par" holes, and I am inclined to agree. The greens are very good, and the course presents some fun shots, and neat par-3s. Note the fifth photo shows No. 15 green as seen from 16 tee, looking toward its fairway…golfers hit directly over the green! Love it.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CS2ukIyN1fy/

Orchard Park - 5
A sporty Travis design with some sneaky tricky greens, including several at ground level. Very walkable. A few modern holes that were put in after the course was rearranged a long time ago.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQkIoPZttpJ/

Heritage Shores - 5
It was very fun, particularly the newer front nine. Lots of good greens and plenty of options.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMF_Z9alGW-/

Indian Spring - 4
I am pretty impressed with what the Gordons did on such a flat piece of property. As with every Gordon course I’ve played previously, it features solid golf holes and good greens.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQKf2dmtvKC/

Woodcrest - 4
I really enjoyed the par-3s, and the greens are very solid. You can definitely see the Flynn left in the course.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ4TUijtGEM/

Greenbriar at Whittingham - 3
Greens were pure!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMsYrC-s8oP/


John F. Byrne - 2
A fun (and short by modern standards) course that could use just a little TLC.

Shamrock Farms - 2
Neat ground-level greens, and a par-3 with two trees directly between the tee and green!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMF-_10F0OI/


As a refresher, here are the Doak Scale definitions I was working from:

0-A course so contrived and unnatural that it may poison your mind, which I cannot recommend under any circumstances. Reserved for courses that wasted ridiculous sums of money in their construction, and probably shouldn’t have been built in the first place.


1-A very basic golf course, with clear architectural malpractice and/or poor maintenance. Avoid even if you're desperate for a game.


2-A mediocre golf course with little or no architectural interest, but nothing really horrible. As my friend Dave Richards summed one up: “Play it in a scramble, and drink a lot of beer”.


3-About the level of the average golf course in the world. (Since I don’t go out of my way to see average courses, my scale is deliberately skewed to split hairs among the good, the better, and the best).


4-A modestly interesting course, with a couple of distinctive holes among the 18, or at least some scenic interest and decent golf. Also reserved for some very good courses that are much too short and narrow to provide sufficient challenge for accomplished players.


5-Well above the average golf course, but the middle of my scale. A good course to choose if you’re in the vicinity and looking for a game, but don’t spend another day away from home just to see it, unless your home is Alaska.


6-A very good course, definitely worth a game if you’re in town, but not necessarily worth a special trip to see. It shouldn’t disappoint you.


7-An excellent course, worth checking out if you get anywhere within 100 miles. You can expect to find soundly designed, interesting holes, good course conditioning, and a pretty setting, if not necessarily anything unique to the world of golf.


8-One of the very best courses in its region (although there are more 8’s in some places, and none in others), and worth a special trip to see. Could have some drawbacks, but these will clearly be spelled out, and it will make up for them with something really special in addition to the generally excellent layout.


9-An outstanding course – certainly one of the best in the world – with no weaknesses in regard to condition, length, or poor holes. You should see this course sometime in your life.


10-Nearly perfect; if you skipped even one hole, you would miss something worth seeing. If you haven’t seen all the courses in this category, you don’t know how good golf architecture can get. Drop the book and call your travel agent – immediately."
« Last Edit: December 01, 2021, 02:38:02 PM by Matt Frey, PGA »

Rick Sides

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2021, 03:27:39 PM »
Philly Cricket (Wis) 8
Forsgate Banks 7
Tavistock 7
Knoll West 7
Trump Ferry Point 7
Golden Horseshoe 7
Ballyowen 6
Ocean Club Bahamas 6
Royal Blue Bahamas 6
Neshanic Valley 6
DuPont CC 6
Riverton 6
French Creek 6
Radley Run 6
Broad Run 6
Wolf Creek 6
Rio Secco 6
Shore Club 6
Seaview Pines 6
Rum Pointe 6
Melrose 6
Trenton Country Club 6
Jeffersonville 6
Paxon Hollow 6
Links at Gettysburg 6
Wyncote 5
Knob Hill 5
High Bridge Hills 5
Lighthouse Sound 5
Baywood Greens 5
Rock Manor 5
Fenwick Golf 5

Jason Topp

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2021, 03:28:29 PM »

I did not think I played that many new courses this year but still came up with a decent list.  I spent 3 months in Palm Springs which resulted in seeing several new courses without really seeking them out.


While the Doak ratings are my effort at applying the scale objectively and are not always kind, I can honestly say my memories from these courses are very positive and that I would gladly return.  A round with good friends is a great day regardless of what I think of the course.

Pacific Grove, CA - 4 - The front nine was much better and more scenic than I expected.  Aerials do not show land movement and the front nine has it in spades.  Back nine is beautiful with scenery and weather supplying plenty of golf interest.  If you skip this course on a trip to Monterey you have missed an opportunity.


Palm Desert Greens, CA - 3 - 9 par threes and 9 par fours.  I enjoyed this round as much as any this year.  The holes were quite good and I could see myself playing more of this type of golf.  Basic design but good greens. 



Hideaway Dye, CA - 5 - Follows the Dye templates which are plenty good but housing, rather than golf appeared to be the primary inspiration for this course.   Very fun club and terrific conditioning.


Hideaway, CA - Clark - Might be a 0.  Appeared to be built at an enormous cost.  Golf holes are generally fine but the routing is convoluted and the construction so artificial that I half expected to see a line for an amusement park ride.  Throw in some very awkward use of water hazards and I think 0 fits better than other ratings.


La Quinta Dunes, CA - 3 - nothing offensive but not the best land in the area.


Wilderness Club, MT - 5 - Nice variety of holes, beautiful setting and varied terrain.  A few holes were unnecessarily awkward and could have been so much better. 


Harvester - IA - 7 - Tough, beautiful course that has improved significantly since I played it 10 years earlier.


Minneapolis GC, MN - 6 - very nice work on this course over the last few years make it a solid member of the upper echelon of MN golf.


Midland Hills, MN - 6 - probably the most improved course I played this year.  Very fine work by the club to restore to the extent reasonable, to its original Raynor design.


Sara Bay, FL - 7 - A gem with wicked greens and nice use of a stream on a classic golden age course.


Bermuda Dunes, CA - 4 - nice land movement, pretty basic 60's architecture. 




Andrew Harvie

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #83 on: November 30, 2021, 04:16:32 PM »

I did not think I played that many new courses this year but still came up with a decent list.  I spent 3 months in Palm Springs which resulted in seeing several new courses without really seeking them out.


While the Doak ratings are my effort at applying the scale objectively and are not always kind, I can honestly say my memories from these courses are very positive and that I would gladly return.  A round with good friends is a great day regardless of what I think of the course.

Pacific Grove, CA - 4 - The front nine was much better and more scenic than I expected.  Aerials do not show land movement and the front nine has it in spades.  Back nine is beautiful with scenery and weather supplying plenty of golf interest.  If you skip this course on a trip to Monterey you have missed an opportunity.


Palm Desert Greens, CA - 3 - 9 par threes and 9 par fours.  I enjoyed this round as much as any this year.  The holes were quite good and I could see myself playing more of this type of golf.  Basic design but good greens. 



Hideaway Dye, CA - 5 - Follows the Dye templates which are plenty good but housing, rather than golf appeared to be the primary inspiration for this course.   Very fun club and terrific conditioning.


Hideaway, CA - Clark - Might be a 0.  Appeared to be built at an enormous cost.  Golf holes are generally fine but the routing is convoluted and the construction so artificial that I half expected to see a line for an amusement park ride.  Throw in some very awkward use of water hazards and I think 0 fits better than other ratings.


La Quinta Dunes, CA - 3 - nothing offensive but not the best land in the area.


Wilderness Club, MT - 5 - Nice variety of holes, beautiful setting and varied terrain.  A few holes were unnecessarily awkward and could have been so much better. 


Harvester - IA - 7 - Tough, beautiful course that has improved significantly since I played it 10 years earlier.


Minneapolis GC, MN - 6 - very nice work on this course over the last few years make it a solid member of the upper echelon of MN golf.


Midland Hills, MN - 6 - probably the most improved course I played this year.  Very fine work by the club to restore to the extent reasonable, to its original Raynor design.


Sara Bay, FL - 7 - A gem with wicked greens and nice use of a stream on a classic golden age course.


Bermuda Dunes, CA - 4 - nice land movement, pretty basic 60's architecture.


That was my takeaway at Wilderness Club also. Could've been exceptional. Instead, we settle for good.
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mike_malone

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #84 on: November 30, 2021, 05:24:06 PM »
C.C. of Buffalo - 9
I was very fortunate to have the opportunity to play C.C. of Buffalo with a couple of their PGA assistant professionals, and I was very impressed. Ross did a a wonderful job routing the golf course to take full advantage of the quarry and ground movement. I had several options on just about every shot I played, a hallmark of a good golf course, in my estimation. It played very firm and fast, and the strong wind today made it even more fun. All 18 greens are excellent and the course has four very strong par-3s, highlighted by their famous Volcano hole, No. 6. I’ll be reflecting on my round today for a long time. It’s so pure.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQpDbC-ty4m/

Wilshire - 8

Wilshire is an absolute blast to play. The design (and setup) provides players limitless options, even when out of position. It requires lots of strategy and allows golfers to take risks for rewards, but also gives higher handicappers safer routes to the greens. The ground movement is wonderful, bold but not flashy, and used to perfection in the superior routing. Wilshire has quite the collection of par-3s. This photo collection includes Nos. 7, 10, 4, 13, and 4 and 10 again. Each is unique in their own rights. Nos. 4, 7, and 10 all feature very elongated greens with various widths, with No. 10 perhaps being the most extreme (in a wonderful way). No 13 had a double green, which is almost always fun. In recounting my round yesterday, the 3s really stood out.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CV28jKZJHAr/ and https://www.instagram.com/p/CV31Wx7vbGv/

Hidden Creek - 7
I loved it. The greens are very fun, engaging, and challenging, and I love that so many are at grade level. Wide corridors make for fun shots. It’s a beautiful golf course.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CWPUEdrtd6C/

Applebrook - 7
Lots of options, the the ground game being one of the most valuable. The course (and our match) kept me engaged the whole round.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU00n5wN_NN/

Bidermann - 7
Bidermann is equal parts fun, strategic, challenging, and beautiful.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CV_gIiVMpfD/

Twisted Dune - 7
I was very impressed with Twisted Dunes after my first visit. It’s a lot of fun but requires a lot of concentration for each shot as there is a myriad of options. A must-play in Jersey.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMYRwboloZP/

Tavistock - 7
After hearing lots of positive reviews, and it did not let me down! The terrain, while not severe in most places, rolls plenty to provide interest on just about every shot, and the greens are very impressive. A lot to love at Tavistock.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CRumzwmttNT/

Knoll - West - 6
Believe it or not, it’s the first solo Charles Banks design I’ve played, and I was very impressed! It’s been a hot minute since I’ve played a “MacRayBanks” course...my mind typically recalls the dramatic green contours, deep bunkers, and geometric shapes, but for whatever reason, I kind of forgot how large their greens can be. My favorite part of the round today was attempting to hit approaches to the correct portion of the greens, and today’s hole locations gave us plenty to consider! Many greens at Knoll West, and certainly other Macdonald and Raynor courses I’ve visited previously are very large and feature very distinctive contours, almost creating several greens within one. If you fail to get your golf ball to stop in the correct area, you’ll likely have a tricky putt, and generally, a long one at that. If you’re able to see Knoll West, I don’t believe you’ll be disappointed. The course conditioning was fantastic, and the greens were moving, even in the heavy precipitation!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/COoeuilNpu0/

Schuylkill - 6
I was very impressed with the layout, which features a mix of Willie Park Jr. and Donald Ross designed golf holes. The holes fit the terrain beautifully and the greens are outstanding.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQUYTaDNwTe/

West Shore - 6
West Shore is a very good golf course. The holes are beautifully routed over the rolling terrain and offers a variety of drives, approaches, and putts. Pure fun.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/COtUDvPNF0p/

Huntingdon Valley (Centennial Nine) - 6
I drove by that portion of the golf course on a daily basis for my commute to PGA Magazine. I was very happy to play it and really enjoyed its greens a lot. Birdies and bogies are available!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CRaJ1K_trW2/

Union League National (Grant / Sherman) - 6
While I had never visited the property while it was known as Sand Barrens, I’ve seen photos and it’s amazing how the architects reimagined the routing. The amount of dirt moved is nothing short of impressive, but the best part of the new version of the course, in my opinion, is how it plays. The course is beautiful, and may look daunting, and while golfers will certainly find challenging shots for poor shots, our group found that “smart misses” allowed for reasonable recoveries. I tend to eventuate courses on how fun they play for golfers of all skill levels, and I believe Union League National offers fun, and challenge, for all types. Well done to the club and the architects!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CPmWbSwNCGN/

Bulle Rock - 6
The golf course presents plenty of challenge but also offers equal opportunity. I really enjoyed its greens subtleties, and particularly liked Nos. 13-18; good stretch of golf holes.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CPwxT9FNIuJ/

Moorestown Field - 6
There is a lot to love about this course, but it’s presentation may be my favorite thing from today’s round. It played very firm and fast and it was a blast. The first and seventh greens may be the closest I’ve seen two greens placed to one another, but thanks to the routing, they remain safe and do not detract from most players’ shot options. Highly recommend!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/COYv-y0MVOa/

Indian Valley - 6
I was very impressed with this Gordons layout, which features recent work by Andrew Green. Wonderful rolling terrain, and some very fun golf holes. I would definitely play it again.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTvG8iHrJHG/

Trenton - 5
Joe Bausch remarked that the course has a lot of good "half-par" holes, and I am inclined to agree. The greens are very good, and the course presents some fun shots, and neat par-3s. Note the fifth photo shows No. 15 green as seen from 16 tee, looking toward its fairway…golfers hit directly over the green! Love it.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CS2ukIyN1fy/

Orchard Park - 5
A sporty Travis design with some sneaky tricky greens, including several at ground level. Very walkable. A few modern holes that were put in after the course was rearranged a long time ago.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQkIoPZttpJ/

Heritage Shores - 5
It was very fun, particularly the newer front nine. Lots of good greens and plenty of options.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMF_Z9alGW-/

Indian Spring - 4
I am pretty impressed with what the Gordons did on such a flat piece of property. As with every Gordon course I’ve played previously, it features solid golf holes and good greens.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQKf2dmtvKC/

Woodcrest - 4
I really enjoyed the par-3s, and the greens are very solid. You can definitely see the Flynn left in the course.

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ4TUijtGEM/

Greenbriar at Whittingham - 3
Greens were pure!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMsYrC-s8oP/


John F. Byrne - 2
A fun (and short by modern standards) course that could use just a little TLC.

Shamrock Farms - 2
Neat ground-level greens, and a par-3 with two trees directly between the tee and green!

Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMF-_10F0OI/


As a refresher, here are the Doak Scale definitions I was working from:

0-A course so contrived and unnatural that it may poison your mind, which I cannot recommend under any circumstances. Reserved for courses that wasted ridiculous sums of money in their construction, and probably shouldn’t have been built in the first place.


1-A very basic golf course, with clear architectural malpractice and/or poor maintenance. Avoid even if you're desperate for a game.


2-A mediocre golf course with little or no architectural interest, but nothing really horrible. As my friend Dave Richards summed one up: “Play it in a scramble, and drink a lot of beer”.


3-About the level of the average golf course in the world. (Since I don’t go out of my way to see average courses, my scale is deliberately skewed to split hairs among the good, the better, and the best).


4-A modestly interesting course, with a couple of distinctive holes among the 18, or at least some scenic interest and decent golf. Also reserved for some very good courses that are much too short and narrow to provide sufficient challenge for accomplished players.


5-Well above the average golf course, but the middle of my scale. A good course to choose if you’re in the vicinity and looking for a game, but don’t spend another day away from home just to see it, unless your home is Alaska.


6-A very good course, definitely worth a game if you’re in town, but not necessarily worth a special trip to see. It shouldn’t disappoint you.


7-An excellent course, worth checking out if you get anywhere within 100 miles. You can expect to find soundly designed, interesting holes, good course conditioning, and a pretty setting, if not necessarily anything unique to the world of golf.


8-One of the very best courses in its region (although there are more 8’s in some places, and none in others), and worth a special trip to see. Could have some drawbacks, but these will clearly be spelled out, and it will make up for them with something really special in addition to the generally excellent layout.


9-An outstanding course – certainly one of the best in the world – with no weaknesses in regard to condition, length, or poor holes. You should see this course sometime in your life.


10-Nearly perfect; if you skipped even one hole, you would miss something worth seeing. If you haven’t seen all the courses in this category, you don’t know how good golf architecture can get. Drop the book and call your travel agent – immediately."




Matt,


 I think your 7’s might be 6’s except for Hidden Creek but appreciate your comments.
Woodcrest needs to be imagined as treeless which I do.
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mike_malone

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« Reply #85 on: November 30, 2021, 05:27:13 PM »
Philly Cricket (Wis) 8
Forsgate Banks 7
Tavistock 7
Knoll West 7
Trump Ferry Point 7
Golden Horseshoe 7
Ballyowen 6
Ocean Club Bahamas 6
Royal Blue Bahamas 6
Neshanic Valley 6
DuPont CC 6
Riverton 6
French Creek 6
Radley Run 6
Broad Run 6
Wolf Creek 6
Rio Secco 6
Shore Club 6
Seaview Pines 6
Rum Pointe 6
Melrose 6
Trenton Country Club 6
Jeffersonville 6
Paxon Hollow 6
Links at Gettysburg 6
Wyncote 5
Knob Hill 5
High Bridge Hills 5
Lighthouse Sound 5
Baywood Greens 5
Rock Manor 5
Fenwick Golf 5


Rick,


 As you add a few more high quality courses I think your scores will lower. DuPont is at best a 5 and I grew up there. Radley Run ……. Well.
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MCirba

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« Reply #86 on: November 30, 2021, 06:00:37 PM »
My 2nd 10 of 41 new courses played in 2021 to date;

Castine Golf Club – Castine, ME – 4 – Despite the lovely hilltop setting and Revolutionary War history, I can only recommend Castine to the purist golf adventurer with the heart of a historian.   Primitive is the word that comes to mind to describe the non-irrigated course, but I defy you to find wild holes like the 1st, 3rd, 6th, and 7th anywhere.
 
Belgrade Lakes Golf Club – Belgrade Lakes, ME – 5 - In concept, Belgrade Lakes is a wonderful idea and upon arrival at the clubhouse with scenic vistas in virtually every direction, the anticipation builds quickly.   However, the property so quickly descends to low-lying (read "soft and wet") areas that the course also quickly descends into hokey man-made features such as bunkers backed with railroad ties and stacked boulder formations that are meant to be eye-catching if not actually contributing to excellent golf.
 
Sugarloaf Golf Club – Carrabassett Valley, ME – 4/0? - RTJ Jr. has never been known for subtlety in his designs so it should come as no surprise to find his course at steep Sugarloaf Mountain (with about 500 feet of elevation change on the property) to be long on the wow factor and shy on the sound golf scale.  Hole corridors were cut way too narrow to account for the amount of time the ball stays in the air on the downhill holes, as well as accounting for the wind.   By the time one reaches the first of FOUR double dogleg par fives on the 2nd, which turns at possibly the most inconvenient point, things start to sour.   The rest of the front nine which was compromised around real estate is less dreadful if lacking inspiration.   After wild visual histrionics of seemingly hundreds of foot drop shots on the 10th and 11th, the course runs along the Carrabassett River with some reasonably good golf holes through the 15th (although two require forced carry approaches), only to need to plow back uphill to the clubhouse.  One might think that with such inherently challenging terrain that the architect might have made his greens more receptive to approach shots, recovery play, and reasonable putting but the heaving putting surfaces belie any such prudent notion.
 
Mingo Springs Golf Course – Rangeley, ME – 4? - Tom Dunne and I wandered over here to play the older nine before dinner rather than quit the game after a morning at Sugarloaf.   We made the right choice, and it’s a rollicking affair, with a crescendo of a par five ninth hole up and over a mountain that’s beyond my ability to adequately describe.   The second nine was part of a resort hotel built in the 20s and Michael Moore tells me that it is worth the walk, as well, but that will have to wait until next trip.
 
Sunday River Golf Club – Newry, ME – 5.5 - With over 500 feet of elevation change, some of it coming steeply in spots, Sunday River must have been a routing challenge but thankfully the hole corridors are suitably wide with no housing constraints.   There are a number of excellent holes in the mix and notably the par fives are all quite good.   Perhaps the most dramatic is the ninth, which traverses two deep gullies that must be carried on the drive and approach, but with a very wide, bunker strewn fairway that provides multiple options.   The 18th is another stunner, cascading rapidly downhill to a green set intimately near the clubhouse.
 
Prouts Neck Country Club – Scarborough, ME – 7.5 - Prouts Neck is one of those "Yankee" enclaves that seemingly time has forgotten.   One can look in the 1930 American Golf Guide to see that Prouts Neck was 6030 yards long and a glance at today's scorecard indicates that the club has never seen the need to keep up with changes in technology and trends.  Set beside the ocean, the course runs along dunes left for the first two holes before weaving inland.   The routing takes you back to, and then along the water two more times in a very unforced, beautiful manner.  The course defends itself at the greens, which are as rolling as the nearby tide.   Any number of outstanding holes can be found along the way, with the 8th (Shipwreck) and 14th (Ferry Rock) both par fours to greens perched at the end of the earth as perhaps the standouts.   Although there has been an attitude of benign neglect at Prouts Neck over the years, recent efforts at deforesting have led to wonderful views across the property and Bruce Hepner's master plan to create a "sandbelt" look has greatly increased the play-ability and enjoyment
 
Cape Ann Golf Course – Essex, MA – 5 – A delightful unexpected seaside nine-hole pleasure that has just the right vibe from the clapboard clubhouse to the mostly walking clientele.   The scenic vistas throughout are spectacular, matched here and there by great holes like the long downhill fourth along the bay and the redan meets Gilbraltar bear of a par three at the 7th to a green built atop the high edge of a peninsula.
 
Philadelphia Country Club (Centennial Nine) – Gladwyne, PA – 4.5 – The club decided something different was needed on the overflow “Centennial Nine” which was little played by members.   Jim Nagle of Forse/Nagle was brought in to create a practice and short game area with some of it and shrink the rest from a 3,400-yard par 35 largely back and forth routing to a 2,900-yard par 34 course more focused on fun, flexibility, fast-play and half-par variety.   Expect enhanced activity.
 
TPC Boston – Norton, MA – 4 – After walking what seems to be 500 yards from the clubhouse across a wetlands bridge to the first tee, and then playing the 2nd that button-hooks into a pond to create a narrow green-site that’s a “2 or 20” proposition, expectations that this will be anything but a tournament course toughened for an event are quickly dispelled.   Despite some significant improvements over the years from the original course, it’s clear that the environmental areas, real estate considerations, and other limitations of the routing would handicap any attempt to add cohesive classical features.
 
Whitinsville Golf Club – Whitinsville, MA – 8 – If there’s a better nine-hole golf course than Whitinsville I need to see it.   The routing is pure genius and Ross used every feature on the superbly rolling topography to full advantage.  I’m getting excited just thinking about it, but someone please fix whatever happened to the 2nd green, thanks.
 
 
 
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Edward Glidewell

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« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2021, 07:14:26 PM »
Southern Pines 7
FarmLinks 5
McLemore Club 5
Heritage Club 5
Legends Heathland 6
Barefoot Resort Dye 6


I don't think anywhere else I played this year was new to me.

All above average courses, but Southern Pines really stood out and above the rest. McLemore Club has some nice views, but also some pedestrian holes and one really awkward one. I think I would rank FarmLinks and Heritage Club above McLemore on a numbered ranking and almost gave them 5.5 to signify that.

MCirba

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« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2021, 07:39:21 PM »
Had a friend just write me that Castine is a 6 in his estimation so that should intrigue some here.  His fair point is that conditioning shouldn't factor into a Doak Scale rating. 


I loved that place but my tastes tend towards the quirky and adventurous but buyer beware that it's like playing golf in 1890 or so if you're used to pampered conditions.
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jeffwarne

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« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2021, 08:37:54 PM »
Had a friend just write me that Castine is a 6 in his estimation so that should intrigue some here.  His fair point is that conditioning shouldn't factor into a Doak Scale rating. 


I loved that place but my tastes tend towards the quirky and adventurous but buyer beware that it's like playing golf in 1890 or so if you're used to pampered conditions.


Which is why the comments and the source mean so much.
Nothing you wrote including the "5" you typed after Belgrade made me want to play it yet your entire description of Castine made me kick myself for not including it on my Maine tour a few years back.
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Richard Fisher

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« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2021, 08:50:50 AM »
Tony M asks about Chelmsford, which is indeed 'the HQ of Essex County Golf' to which I had given a Doak three. Just wasn't whelmed, and find it hard to remember a single hole very clearly, although it was perhaps the longest 5800 yards I have ever played. Obviously a busy club with a very nice and professional welcome, but some of the reviews on the Top 100 courses site only highlight (as Tony says) the strong claims of Essex to be the least distinguished county for golf in England - tiny Rutland has Luffenham and Westmorland has Appleby, but Essex (aside Thorndon Park, and perhaps Romford and Orsett?) must vie with Wiltshire (aside High Post, Cumberwell Park, bits of Kingsdown?) for the least distinguished title - and in very sharp contrast to neighbouring Suffolk, which is amongst the very best.

Chris_Blakely

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« Reply #91 on: December 01, 2021, 09:47:35 AM »
My 2nd 10 of 41 new courses played in 2021 to date;

Castine Golf Club – Castine, ME – 4 – Despite the lovely hilltop setting and Revolutionary War history, I can only recommend Castine to the purist golf adventurer with the heart of a historian.   Primitive is the word that comes to mind to describe the non-irrigated course, but I defy you to find wild holes like the 1st, 3rd, 6th, and 7th anywhere.
 
Belgrade Lakes Golf Club – Belgrade Lakes, ME – 5 - In concept, Belgrade Lakes is a wonderful idea and upon arrival at the clubhouse with scenic vistas in virtually every direction, the anticipation builds quickly.   However, the property so quickly descends to low-lying (read "soft and wet") areas that the course also quickly descends into hokey man-made features such as bunkers backed with railroad ties and stacked boulder formations that are meant to be eye-catching if not actually contributing to excellent golf.

 
Mingo Springs Golf Course – Rangeley, ME – 4? - Tom Dunne and I wandered over here to play the older nine before dinner rather than quit the game after a morning at Sugarloaf.   We made the right choice, and it’s a rollicking affair, with a crescendo of a par five ninth hole up and over a mountain that’s beyond my ability to adequately describe.   The second nine was part of a resort hotel built in the 20s and Michael Moore tells me that it is worth the walk, as well, but that will have to wait until next trip.
 
Sunday River Golf Club – Newry, ME – 5.5 - With over 500 feet of elevation change, some of it coming steeply in spots, Sunday River must have been a routing challenge but thankfully the hole corridors are suitably wide with no housing constraints.   There are a number of excellent holes in the mix and notably the par fives are all quite good.   Perhaps the most dramatic is the ninth, which traverses two deep gullies that must be carried on the drive and approach, but with a very wide, bunker strewn fairway that provides multiple options.   The 18th is another stunner, cascading rapidly downhill to a green set intimately near the clubhouse.
 
Prouts Neck Country Club – Scarborough, ME – 7.5 - Prouts Neck is one of those "Yankee" enclaves that seemingly time has forgotten.   One can look in the 1930 American Golf Guide to see that Prouts Neck was 6030 yards long and a glance at today's scorecard indicates that the club has never seen the need to keep up with changes in technology and trends.  Set beside the ocean, the course runs along dunes left for the first two holes before weaving inland.   The routing takes you back to, and then along the water two more times in a very unforced, beautiful manner.  The course defends itself at the greens, which are as rolling as the nearby tide.   Any number of outstanding holes can be found along the way, with the 8th (Shipwreck) and 14th (Ferry Rock) both par fours to greens perched at the end of the earth as perhaps the standouts.   Although there has been an attitude of benign neglect at Prouts Neck over the years, recent efforts at deforesting have led to wonderful views across the property and Bruce Hepner's master plan to create a "sandbelt" look has greatly increased the play-ability and enjoyment

 
Whitinsville Golf Club – Whitinsville, MA – 8 – If there’s a better nine-hole golf course than Whitinsville I need to see it.   The routing is pure genius and Ross used every feature on the superbly rolling topography to full advantage.  I’m getting excited just thinking about it, but someone please fix whatever happened to the 2nd green, thanks.


I would argue the maintenance at Castine is rudimentary, but not the greens.  They appeared to me to retain much of the Willie Park charm that exist at many of the other Park courses I played.  One of my favorite rounds there when we played it after Labor Day and had the course entirely to ourselves.  I too would rank Castine higher.


As for Mingo Springs, IMO if you only had time for 9 holes you choses wisely.  The back 9 is on the more pedestrian portion of the property and it did not feel like a '20s course to me.  If only ranking the front 9, I would rank higher, but for the entire 18, I would agree.

MCirba

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« Reply #92 on: December 01, 2021, 10:26:25 AM »
Thanks, Chris Blakely...agree that the greens at Castine are very well maintained.   I thought i was the only nut case who believes it should be more of a must-see in the area based on my love of history and all things Willie Park so good to know I won't be alone in the asylum.  ;)

Hoping perhaps Michael Moore will tell us about the virtues of the back nine at Mingo Springs.  :)
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Jason Tetterton

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« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2021, 01:37:26 PM »
Mr. Doak, you mentioned visiting CapRock Ranch earlier in the year.  Do you have a rating for the course?  Does anyone have a rating for the course?  I'm very interested in hearing more about CapRock.

MCirba

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« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2021, 04:16:49 PM »
My 3rd 10 of 41 new courses played this year, to date;

 Sunnybrook Golf Club – Plymouth Meeting, PA – 6 – One of the interesting things about Sunnybrook is that 13 of the holes parallel each other in north/south direction along a broad slope falling from the clubhouse to a creek valley below but at no time does the course feel back-and-forth, or one-dimensional, due to the clever routing.   Excellent tree management and adequate fairway widths give a sense of freedom that wears well throughout.   Limited play helps the top-notch conditioning.
 
Radley Run Country Club – West Chester, PA – 4.5? – Sadly we were only able to play the first few holes on this very rolling tract before extended storms nixed our round.   What we were able to play (and see) looked reasonably good, if perhaps a bit too sloping for consistently good golf.   Hope to get back to confirm or update first impressions.
 
Meadows Golf Club – Lincoln Park NJ – 2 – Somehow architect Hal Purdy and later owner Hank Finelli were able to squeeze a 6,400-yard golf course onto what seems clearly less than 100 acres but proximity to NYC and cart drivers swilling six packs mean it’s cramped, flat, doesn’t drain, and downright dangerous in spots.   Pray for a scramble.
 
Stafford Country Club – Stafford, NY – 5.5 – It’s indicative of how much terrific golf exists in the Rochester (NY) region that this rural gem goes largely unnoticed.   While the bunkers need refreshing, and many of the original Travis greens were neutered early on by Trent Jones and Stanley Thompson, the terrific routing still shines through.   The back nine in particular is a gem with the rollicking Travis 11th green capping a superb hole and the bunker-less 16th and 17th dell green in a blind hollow perhaps the highlights of a course long on variety and interest.   The short 18th where the green was moved to accommodate some such thing needs reconsideration, however.
 
Cherry Hills Country Club – Englewood, CO – 7.5 - The course that put "Arnie's Charge" on the map during the 1960 US Open, Cherry Hills recently has been implementing a long-range plan to refine the course for modern times.   Thankfully, rather than narrowing fairways, growing roughs, and tightening targets, the club is just shining up what's already there in the form of tree management, fairway widths offering different options of play, and short grass around greens that allow the ball to roll-out.  The clockwise (then counter), then counter around the perimeter of the property is masterful and utilizes all the natural features and contours in an effective way.   The knock on Cherry Hills among Flynn courses is that if it was located in Philadelphia, or Cleveland (where clusters of Flynn courses exist) it wouldn't be anything special.   Thankfully, that's just not true because not only can't you divorce Cherry Hills from its sense of place (with long views of the city and Rocky Mountains) but hole by hole it stacks up against Flynn's best.
 
CommonGround (Short Course) – Aurora, CO – 4 – Built as a free children’s course and adjunct to the wonderfully popular municipal course, it’s a perfect spot to grab a few clubs, lace on your sneakers, and play low key holes ranging from 70 to 140 yards, with restrained architectural features.   Any course where kids can play free immediately gets more than a 3 from me.
 
Overland Park Golf Course – Denver, CO – 3.5 – The site of the original Denver Country Club is today a thriving municipal course where I ended up after finding that Donald Ross’s nearby Wellshire was hosting a tournament.   It turned out to be a nice piece of kismet as Wellshire looked badly in need of serious tree management and Overland turned out to be a pleasant surprise that included some vintage architectural features, fine conditioning, and easy playability.
 
Holyoke Golf Club – Holyoke, CO – 3 – I found it pretty cool that most of the little prairie towns in eastern Colorado had some form of modest golf course, but this one had pizazz due to tiny, perched greens with lots of fun internal contour and interesting angles.   I still don’t know the architect but a few years prior to moving to this site Donald Ross and Henry Hughes had been talking with the club, so who knows.   Loved the honor box in the tiny clubhouse, as well.
 
Ballyneal Golf and Hunt Club – Holyoke, CO – 10 – After finally making it there, I was confused to see that all raters in the most recent “Confidential Guide” gave Ballyneal a “9”, clearly out of deference to another great course not so far away in Nebraska.   Checking again the definition of a “10”, and finding the following; Nearly perfect; if you skipped even one hole, you would miss something worth seeing. If you haven't seen all the courses in this category, you don't know how good golf architecture can get. Call your travel agent immediately. I’m more than ever convinced of my impressions and score.   Even Ran’s review on this site profiles every single hole at Ballyneal as a “Hole(s) to Note”.   I believe the only other course I’ve seen here where every single hole is selected is again the Nebraska neighbor.   So, to break that seal and to call out what I think is a bit of affected intellectual reverence that is really unnecessary at this point, I’ll simply say that Ballyneal is more fun than humans should be allowed to have.  Find your way there.
 
Ballyneal Golf and Hunt Club (Mulligan Course) – Holyoke, CO – 6 – Intertwined among the bigger course, this set of 12 par three holes can be played in various configurations as I learned when my very experienced caddy took me for an 18-hole loop.   The greens are even wilder than on the original course and targets are tighter as befits the yardage.   Favorite had to be the completely blind shot over the turtle and if you’re a drinking and/or betting man this is the place for that, as well.
 
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« Reply #95 on: December 01, 2021, 04:25:59 PM »
New for me in 2021:


Piping Rock     8
The Creek       7
Garden City     8


Return visits:


Yeamans Hall         9
Shinnecock           10
NGLA                   10
Crystal Downs        8
Kingsley Club         7
Broadmoor (Indy)  7
Crooked Stick        7


TS

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« Reply #96 on: December 01, 2021, 05:22:31 PM »
Mr. Doak, you mentioned visiting CapRock Ranch earlier in the year.  Do you have a rating for the course?  Does anyone have a rating for the course?  I'm very interested in hearing more about CapRock.


I saw it in 2020, so I didn't list it above, and I didn't have the opportunity to play so I hesitate to give it a rating.  I suspect some people will call it a 9 but I would stick with an 8 until I see how certain green sites play.

mike_malone

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« Reply #97 on: December 01, 2021, 06:28:20 PM »
Mike Cirba,


 We play Radley Run each year in our Senior Interclub. I think you captured it in your assessment. No need to go back except to maybe drop the rating.
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« Reply #98 on: December 01, 2021, 07:40:49 PM »
A few new ones that stood out for me in 2021 that don’t get enough respect.


Manor Golf Club - 4 - There is way too much great stuff hear to give it a 3 (which equals the average course around).  Site may be a bit too small and steep.


Ed Oliver Golf Course - 3 - Original course for Wilmington Country Club.  The Dupont’s bought the course and gave it to the city.  I lived in Delaware for 2 years and worked there 15+ years, never did anyone say this was a place to see/play, instead I was cautioned to avoid it.  The unchanged holes are very good, the conditioning and amenities are lacking but the bones are very, very good.  Site has a nice amount of elevation change compared to the rest of the neighborhood.
Proud member of a Doak 3.

Kyle Harris

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« Reply #99 on: December 01, 2021, 08:04:12 PM »
Deleted. I was wrong. Manor is the definition of a 4!
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