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Rob Marshall

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Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« on: October 29, 2021, 04:16:53 PM »
I played Hideout today. Just reopened a few weeks ago with new grass on the greens and they were great. I just love this course. I just find it flat out fun and enjoyable to play. Nice variety of holes. Reminds me of the Carolina’s more than a Florida course. Water comes into play but doesn’t beat you to death. What course do you find fun to play? May not be great but just fun.
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2021, 04:24:41 PM »
Regardless of whether I'm playing good or bad, I've never not had fun playing Tobacco Road.

Pete Lavallee

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2021, 07:57:36 PM »
Gil Hanse has mastered the “fun to play golf course”. Rustic Canyon holds the top spot. To think a top name designer claimed the site was unsuitable for a good course is quite humerus. Soule Park in Ojai sits comfortably at #2. Tall Grass on Long Island had a firm grip on #3 before it closed. My regular golf group did a Monterrey trip in September and we finished off at Rustic Canyon. Our overall winner on the trip aptly called it: “sometimes less is more”.
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mike_beene

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2021, 10:54:17 PM »
Over the years mine has been Santa Fe CC. Nothing special but a fun walk in the high desert.

John Foley

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2021, 07:48:52 AM »
New Course @ Grand Cypress. Was just back and it's still a blast. Brought two people who have never played before and both were thrilled with it.
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John Blain

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2021, 11:28:35 AM »
For me it would be Leatherstocking. I'm not sure it would fall into the "great" category but it's certainly an enjoyable course. Interesting architecture, very playable and a pretty easy walk. It's worth a play just for the views on the 11th, 12th and 18th tee boxes.

John Kirk

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2021, 11:30:53 AM »
Without naming courses, I'd submit that fun equals great, and that the more fun a course is, the greater it is.

Gib_Papazian

Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2021, 12:43:40 PM »
I'm going with John Kirk on this one . . . . . at his point - with the headlamp of my dotage bearing down at flank speed - I've concluded the "funnest" courses are more deserving the moniker "great" than stringent, antiseptic examinations throughout the bag.


For pure amusement, NGLA is still the winner in America - but along with the usual suspects, I'm quite partial to unsung gems like Barona Creek and certainly Ridge Creek in Dinuba . . . why John Fought does not get 'dap around there is a mystery.


Eagle Point in Medford and Monarch Dunes in Nipomo pass the "Gib test" with flying colors: No matter how tired you might putting out on #18, the temptation to run back to the first tee is almost irresistible.


Again, not to preach the gospel on a soapbox in St. Peter's Square (no, I am not Catholic), but any of the six choices at Bandon - unless the fan is blasting at full power - easily fit the category of "great."


This opinion might illuminate the inquiry light, but I find PV to be one of the most enjoyable, amusingly "fun" golf courses I've ever played. Once you reach a certain proficiency level - and can keep the ball between the gutters (c'mon, the fairways are WIDE) - every single hole presents a unique riddle with multiple answers.


Except for #10 - but I think Pete Dye island greens are a hoot, too - maybe I've got a twisted sense of humor.


   
 
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John Foley

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2021, 01:58:22 PM »
For me it would be Leatherstocking. I'm not sure it would fall into the "great" category but it's certainly an enjoyable course. Interesting architecture, very playable and a pretty easy walk. It's worth a play just for the views on the 11th, 12th and 18th tee boxes.


Hundred thumbs up on this one. The other somewhat in this area is Taconic!!
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Steve Lang

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2021, 02:16:34 PM »
Regardless of whether I'm playing good or bad, I've never not had fun playing Tobacco Road.


Dan, I don't suppose you had much fun at MS's Tot Hill Farm either?!!!


We definitely had fun at Barona Creek, but also because of mentoring from Pete Lavallee, fun is best when shared experiences are had...  Rustic was special because of "FireMan Dave" helping us see things first time around...


I had much more fun at Gold Mountain than Chambers Bay, because it played the way it looked... CB looked linksy but just didn't play that way...


Ultimate fun is still benchmarks by the GCA Go Canada tour, playing Stanley's Banff and Jasper Parks classics, followed up by Whitman's Blackhawk and Wolf Creek, where Scotland mets Canada... the most fun golf trip had by far, greatly enhanced by the outstanding standout cast of characters, I can still see Ben's bright ties showcased at dinner... followed by Bandon, Wild Horse/Dismal NE adventure and the Dixie Cup at Streamsong...


Ottawa Park will always be fun, memory floods always occur at my childhood haunt... but enough name dropping,

challenges, successes and failures, having fun with others whether they know it or not can certainly be had anywhere
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JimB

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2021, 02:57:30 PM »
I'm going with John Kirk on this one . . . . .
 


I thought you might reference his statement to me that fun in of golf is directly proportional to how long the ball stays in motion. Ask ourselves where this occurring and we will have our answer to the OP.


Gib_Papazian

Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2021, 03:17:03 PM »

Jim B.,

I thought John Kirk's assertion was crystal clear and spot-on.


Is your post some kind of incomprehensibly ponderous koan?


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JimB

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2021, 04:03:21 PM »
My post was supposed to be another in the long line of praising the wisdom of John Kirk. Balls in motion equals fun equals great.


Feel free to turn it into a koan. I want your happiness.
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2021, 04:26:39 PM »
My happiness is a Golden Poem . . . .

Stewart Abramson

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2021, 05:36:37 PM »
In the U.S. these are some of the most fun courses I've played:


Private

Sleepy Hollow NY

Whipoorwill NY
Garden City NY
Ballyneal CO
Kingsley MI
Merion East PA


Public

Yale CT
Tobacco Road NC
Greenbrier Old White WVA
Southern Dunes FL
Ak Chin Southern Dunes AZ
Sand Hollow UT
True Blue SC
Old Macdonald OR

Highlands Reserve in Florida is a public course that can be played for under $40 almost all year, sometimes not in great condition, but always fun.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2021, 05:51:09 PM »
Without naming courses, I'd submit that fun equals great, and that the more fun a course is, the greater it is.


Hard to belive if one has a choice, why someone would choose to play anything different.
If it's not fun, it's not great, or even good.

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Kyle Harris

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2021, 06:10:58 PM »
Over the years mine has been Santa Fe CC. Nothing special but a fun walk in the high desert.


10-11-12 at Santa Fe are special.


Highlands Reserve north of ChampionsGate in Florida fits the bill here.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2021, 06:15:24 PM »
Without naming courses, I'd submit that fun equals great, and that the more fun a course is, the greater it is.


Hard to belive if one has a choice, why someone would choose to play anything different.
If it's not fun, it's not great, or even good.


Jeff-I know your a fan of Shennecossett like me and I think it fits the bill. My wife mentioned to me the other day that I hadn’t played it in a while and I’m going to rectify that before Thanksgiving.

John Kirk

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2021, 06:54:23 PM »
(looks up 'koan' on the online dictionary....cool)
Gib and JimB,

Thanks for the comments.  I tend to be a hit and run type poster on GCA these days.  Sorry I wasn't around for mid-morning banter.

Speaking of balls rolling for long periods of time, I imagine Augusta National is fun to play for all the right reasons.  Sure, it's a hard course to score on, but you are presented with all these shots that you know so well, and the greens require all sorts of different putts.  The course appears playable for most veteran golfers from the shorter tees.  I can't imagine anybody who is a lifelong golfer not having a great time there.

Gib, I haven't played a few of the courses you mention, but I did play Barona Creek in a GCA mini-outing and had a great time.  Beautiful setting,with lots of fun shots.

I guess the question then becomes what makes golf fun?  I'll take a crack at it.  I'll start by describing what happens during a single stroke:

1.  I look at the upcoming shot and gather relevant information, and decide how I want to hit the shot.

2.  Execute stroke.

3.  Watch the shot.

4.  Finally and importantly, I arrive at the next location of the ball to begin the process again.

Step 2 is mechanical, getting into your shell and doing your little dance.  There's always joy found in watching the shot, especially during greenside play, but the greatest satisfaction may be in steps 1 and 4.  I've said a few times how much fun I had playing North Berwick.  The back nine has a string of back to back showstoppers, while the outward nine is pretty mundane to look at.  But I thoroughly enjoyed the front nine, where the results of my shots were so interesting.  Getting to your ball and knowing how you hit the shot, I had this feeling that the course rewarded me in fair yet amusing ways.  It made me want to hit another shot to see what happened next.  By the time we got to #13, it was icing on the cake to an already magical experience.

My favorite thing about golf is the initial assessment, seeing the shot and imagining a solution.  I've played for about 40 years, and over that time I have been able to hit the ball high or low, and curve it in both directions, though the ease in which I did so varies.  I like playing shots, even if playing a stock shot every time might shave a stroke or two off my final score.  The more you play those variant shots, like the bounding draw, or a little "change up" full shot, the better you become at those shots, and the more satisfaction is attained by successful execution.  That's what I love about golf.  Set me on the tee at Pacific Dunes #17, where I can decide between a drawing 4-5 iron or the riskier but more rewarding 7-wood fade shot.  Most days I'll go with the iron.  By then, it depends how many over par my score is.  All part of the wonderful calculations of playing golf and having fun.


It becomes less fun if the shot to be played is mundane, with little or no planning required.  This can happen when you play the same course over and over, especially when there are few conditions like wind that can change strategy.  It can also be less fun when you are physically unable to execute a shot without a reasonable reward, like a forced carry.  And of course, it is a drag when you can't find your ball and play it as it lies.  That's the worst.  One or two carry bunkers that can't be flown to reach the best side of a fairway is OK, seven or eight of them is not.  If I return to playing, I reserve the right to modify that to "three or four" unreachable carry bunkers are OK.


Our man Doak, his friends Bill Coore and Ben Crenshaw, and many other modern architects build courses where there are no mundane shots.  Most shots feature options, with modest to moderate penalties for failing to execute.  A reasonably accomplished player can play their ball all day long on great modern courses.  The slope of the green is almost always decipherable from at least one side of each fairway.  When you play a great course, it almost always gives you the clues you need to make the right decisions off the tee.

Gib recently cited holes #4 and #5 at the Lake course as great back-to-back holes.  These are the "reverse camber" long fours at the Olympic Club, where the ideal drives are a draw on the dogleg left 4th, into the hillside which holds the ball on the fairway, followed by the opposing 5th, a dogleg right which begs for a fade into the hillside.  Twenty years ago, I could hit a big draw with a 3-wood and that's what I would've tried back then.  Lately I hit the driver almost exclusively left to right, so I'd take my chances with a line drive down the left field line and hope for the best.  The 5th would be an easier task for me, but if memory serves me well, the last (and second) time I played it, I overcooked it into the right rough, which is bogey land.  These are exciting driving options on challenging golf holes.


Thanks for the opportunity to share.  The solemn, stern test of golf is a dying concept.  Whether it is fun or a dreary slog, the lowest score wins.  You might as well make it fun.

Sean_A

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2021, 07:18:51 PM »
Without naming courses, I'd submit that fun equals great, and that the more fun a course is, the greater it is.

This wouldn't be the case for me. Many of the courses I find to be very fun are not great. But I always say greatness is over rated.

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Gib_Papazian

Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2021, 10:05:57 PM »
JimB,


Just for the record, once I thought about it, that is an incredibly insightful point . . . . . virtually all of my favorite golf courses, irrespective of particular style, have a commonality of forcing me to "play a shot" with the intention of using the contours of the ground to direct the ball. 


Nearly brings tears to my eyes, but the last shot I ever hit in front of the Great Bahto was my 4-iron approach to Old Mac #18. Having not studied that part of the course yet, I sat there trying to figure out how to sneak a ball between the mounds to a right center pin.


Uncle George, with his usual Jersey rap, blurts out "You missed it. Look again, aim 30 yards to the left and watch what happens."


That damned ball took five times longer to roll to its circuitous destination than it stayed in the air - leaving a putt so short, even I could not miss it.


Why do I love a great Redan? Because there is nothing like bouncing a shot into the throat and watching it slowly totter left towards the pin.


 


 
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JimB

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2021, 10:20:54 AM »
Great example there Gib. Players of all levels can enjoy that same fun.

Joel Pear

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2021, 12:03:14 PM »
Prairie Bluff Golf Course is an inexpensive muni course in the western suburbs of Chicago designed by Roger Packard and Andy North.  It is always a blast to play.  The superintendent keeps it in great shape, and it has a great mix of holes.  It is located right next to Stateville Prison, and gives a whole new meaning to hitting a bad shot and saying, "I'm in jail!"

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2021, 01:30:51 PM »
I had fun as a teenager playing various SF courses like Fleming (my first course in SF)...learning to hit a draw off the tee on the 450 yd par 5 sixth or seventh hole (I forget), Golden Gate Park where my dad and I played in the SF Fathers & Sons tournament (renamed the Family Championship), Lincoln Park (always the neglected stepchild of SF budget $$'s despite the billion dollar views on a few holes) but so many fun holes, Gleneagles that was run by Erik de Lambert who would kick you off the course if you took a practice swing on a tee or if you didn't wear golf shoes(!!) and then eventually the old Ocean Course at Olympic, with its quirky collection of holes (that seemed to change every decade as the routing was adjusted).  How could you not have fun on a course that started 5-3-5-3-5 (IIRC) back in the 80s?


None of the above were or are "great" (the 10th hole at 9-hole Gleneagles counts as Great), but still FUN to play!
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Brian Finn

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Re: Courses that are just plain fun to play, great or not
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2021, 04:47:51 PM »
I'm going with John Kirk on this one . . . . .
I thought you might reference his statement to me that fun in of golf is directly proportional to how long the ball stays in motion. Ask ourselves where this occurring and we will have our answer to the OP.
I never thought about it exactly this way...it is brilliant.
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