Ryder Cup 2021

[Matthew Rose]

I just think it's funny the US venues are courses that are trying to look "linksy" like WS or Kiawah, and in Europe they go to courses that look like bad TPCs.

[Steve Kline]

P.S.  I wanna know where to find the rule that the Ryder Cup must be held in the MidWest Region (even Kentucky in 2008 basically counts)   You have to go all the way back to last century, 1999 at Brookline when it was not held in the area...

C'mon, man, give us a break.  Our weather sucks like 10 months out of the year.  The other good month is probably May.  September is when both the weather is good, and the golf courses are in primo condition.  I've played Straits a few times in May when the weather has been good, but the course looks like crap.  If you're holding an event in September, the Midwest is the place to be.

And it's not like the coasts don't get to host their fair share of majors.


Actually, I'm surprised they don't go the west coast for a Ryder Cup to get it in prime time. You are going against football this time of year anyway. If it gets dark too early put out some lights. 

[Sean_A]

Is the time difference from Europe a factor? I was up until 12:30 watching the past few nights. California time might be a push.

Ciao

[Matthew Rose]

The next two are Bethpage and Olympic.... so.... there you go.

[Jeff Schley]

The next two are Bethpage and Olympic.... so.... there you go.

Actually next 3.
BethpageHazeltineOlympic
Europe have only announced next two.Marco Simone Golf & Country ClubCourse at Adare Manor

Also I didn't realize they pushed back the venues another year from 2022 the Marco Simone in Rome will be 2023 not 2022.

[Kalen Braley]

P.S.  I wanna know where to find the rule that the Ryder Cup must be held in the MidWest Region (even Kentucky in 2008 basically counts)   You have to go all the way back to last century, 1999 at Brookline when it was not held in the area...

C'mon, man, give us a break.  Our weather sucks like 10 months out of the year.  The other good month is probably May.  September is when both the weather is good, and the golf courses are in primo condition.  I've played Straits a few times in May when the weather has been good, but the course looks like crap.  If you're holding an event in September, the Midwest is the place to be.

Bill,

Just cause people like to live somewhere with shit weather nearly year round, doesn't mean we need to coddle and placate them! 

Jeff,

Hazeltine...smack dab in the middle of the Mid-west region, so yea  going there yet again.  But good to see em going to Olympic soon, as its too short for a men's major now anyways.  But why go there, Lincoln Park would be way better for a match-play event!

[Jeff Schley]

For the 12 matches, I think the US will win the session again. Momentum and individuals who are ready to break out.  I don't see a 10-6 Miracle at Medinah again. Going to be fun. One of the best golfing days of the entire year.

[Kalen Braley]

Jeff,

If the US loses this one, it just may surpass the 2004 Boston/NY ALCS when the Yankees melted down for the all-time biggest choke.

P.S.  Not to sidetrack, but curious what the treehouse thinks of the Koepka ruling yesterday?  It seemed he had a legitimate concern, even if the incident from a few weeks back was irrelevant.  No doubt he will be fined for dropping an F-bomb threat on the two officials.

https://golf.com/news/brooks-koepka-snaps-rules-officials-controversial-ryder-cup-decision/

[Jeff Schley]

Jeff,

If the US loses this one, it just may surpass the 2004 Boston/NY ALCS when the Yankees melted down for the all-time biggest choke.

P.S.  Not to sidetrack, but curious what the treehouse thinks of the Koepka ruling yesterday?  It seemed he had a legitimate concern, even if the incident from a few weeks back was irrelevant.  No doubt he will be fined for dropping an F-bomb threat on the two officials.

https://golf.com/news/brooks-koepka-snaps-rules-officials-controversial-ryder-cup-decision/

For Koepka, what was he thinking of dropping an F bomb?  Pretty classless IMO, they were waiting around for like 5-10 minutes until the situation was resolved, so wasn't spur of the moment. Deal with it and move on.  Now because it was Koepka he maybe is getting a pass. If it was Bryson, it would be front page news everywhere.
They didn't zoom in close enough so I couldn't tell exactly what his argument was. Anyway the officials were there, listened and made their ruling. If you don't agree there are much better ways to handle it.

[Kalen Braley]

His argument was there was a drainage ditch that was very close to what would be his follow-thru because he had to chop down on the ball to get it out of a nasty lie.  He and his partner, and what even looked liked Sergio, agreed that it was too close for comfort and if he had struck it in his follow-thru would have no doubt been a jarring hit.  But both of the rules officials deemed he had zero chance of hitting it and relief was denied.  On the TV replay it looked like he just clipped it in his follow-thru, but not sure if he did or not.

P.S.  Apparently the ditches are mentioned on the rules sheet for the matches as man-made obstructions.

[Tim Martin]

If the US loses this one, it just may surpass the 2004 Boston/NY ALCS when the Yankees melted down for the all-time biggest choke.

I have bolted upright in bed from a nightmare at least once a month since that happened.

[jeffwarne]

Jeff,

If the US loses this one, it just may surpass the 2004 Boston/NY ALCS when the Yankees melted down for the all-time biggest choke.

P.S.  Not to sidetrack, but curious what the treehouse thinks of the Koepka ruling yesterday?  It seemed he had a legitimate concern, even if the incident from a few weeks back was irrelevant.  No doubt he will be fined for dropping an F-bomb threat on the two officials.

https://golf.com/news/brooks-koepka-snaps-rules-officials-controversial-ryder-cup-decision/

For Koepka, what was he thinking of dropping an F bomb?  Pretty classless IMO, they were waiting around for like 5-10 minutes until the situation was resolved, so wasn't spur of the moment. Deal with it and move on.  Now because it was Koepka he maybe is getting a pass. If it was Bryson, it would be front page news everywhere.
They didn't zoom in close enough so I couldn't tell exactly what his argument was. Anyway the officials were there, listened and made their ruling. If you don't agree there are much better ways to handle it.

Agreed.
Then a guy with a gimpy wrist proceeded to rip it on the green, so it's not like it changed his approach to the shot.

[Pete_Pittock]

Scottie Scheffler for MVP and  best captain's pick ever. Zero PGA wins


Who would have thought that a drain would cause a problem on a Kohler property?

[Rob Marshall]

His argument was there was a drainage ditch that was very close to what would be his follow-thru because he had to chop down on the ball to get it out of a nasty lie.  He and his partner, and what even looked liked Sergio, agreed that it was too close for comfort and if he had struck it in his follow-thru would have no doubt been a jarring hit.  But both of the rules officials deemed he had zero chance of hitting it and relief was denied.  On the TV replay it looked like he just clipped it in his follow-thru, but not sure if he did or not.

P.S.  Apparently the ditches are mentioned on the rules sheet for the matches as man-made obstructions.

Can you even see the drain? I couldn’t.

[Tim Martin]

Terrific sportsmanship from the Euros. To see Garcia and Rahm hugging Stricker and Koepka was one of the highlights of the event for me. Say what you want about the golf course but it always provides a compelling event for the spectators.

[Mark Pearce]

Koepka and Berger yesterday made me warm to De Chambeau.  I will hate them forever for that.


This was a seriously strong and united USA team.  It may be some time before Europe can really compete again, unless Patrick Reed plays his way back on the team.

[Tommy Williamsen]

Loved the good-good between Spieth and Fleetwood.

[Tony_Muldoon]

Did I imagine it but we're they much better at shouting "Fore", than in the recent past?


Congratulations to the clearly better team. 


As a European it is no little concern that these young guys actually seem to like each other!

[Peter Pallotta]

The notion of 'horses for courses' has never had better proof than this Ryder Cup at WS.

And clear too is how much course set-up matters (which is one reason why I never liked the USGA 'setting up' the US Open courses)

[jeffwarne]

This was a seriously strong and united USA team.  It may be some time before Europe can really compete again, unless Patrick Reed plays his way back on the team.

or Phil Captains one...

[David_Tepper]

The heart of the Euro team for the past 4-5 Ryder Cups (Westwood, Garcia, Poulter, Casey, Rose, Molinari, Donald, Stenson) is either into their 40's or close to it. Other than Rahm, Hovland & Hatton, the Euros under 30 years of age don't match up that well with the Americans in that age group.


The Americans had 6 winners of one of more majors in their line up today. Other than Dustin Johnson, Koepka was the oldest at 31 years. Of the 4 winners of majors on the Euro side, only Rahm is less than 30 years of age.
 

[jeffwarne]

The US played well
The Euros didn't
On paper the US was better-this time, unlike the last few, it actually played out that way.
The course favored the US bomber squad
The very few Euro fans due to travel bans hurt them.
The Euros are an aging team
The US having 6 new players with no demons helped the most IMHO, but...


It's simply one week and I don't think we should extrapolate that to much more than simply one win, as a result of playing well one time...in a row.


It is ironic to me though that we actually had a "links like"(sort've) course in links like wind, in the US-- with no sign of that in the future in Europe,

[Dan_Callahan]

It should be written into the rules of golf that no tournament shall ever be played on a parkland course in Ireland.

[Mike_Trenham]

The European Tour is financially stressed and is a concern towards creating a pipeline of future competitors.  Not player from Europe and their families are suited to thrive living in America.


Can’t help but wonder if Phil spent the week lobbing players to join one of the new tours.

[Kalen Braley]

The European Tour is financially stressed and is a concern towards creating a pipeline of future competitors.  Not player from Europe and their families are suited to thrive living in America.

Mike,

I was hoping you could elaborate more on that comment.  One could argue that playing the majority of their golf in the US has enabled Rahm, Sergio, Rory, and Rose to become what they did!

If the Euro tour in its current state more closely resembles the Korn Ferry tour, then so be it...