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Tommy Williamsen

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Nice surprises you played this summer
« on: September 23, 2021, 10:21:13 AM »
Every year I play a course that flies under the radar. I might have heard of it, but knew very little about it. Then, when I play I think, "Wow, this course should be known by more people than the locals that play it." I had two such experiences this summer.


The first is Elyria CC outside of Cleveland. It is one of three Flynn designs in the Cleveland area, (The Country Club and Pepper Pike). The terrain is relatively flat but has some very interesting landforms that FLynn used creatively. It is a primer of routing a course to make the best use of the terrain. Some of the green-sites are just wonderful. The greens have enough movement to make putting interesting but not so much that you will feel silly if you make a poor putt. It was in good condition and was a delight to play. It will not beat up a poor player but has enough interest to challenge a good player.


The other was Bloomfield Hills outside Detroit. I had heard of the course but thought it was just another of the "Hills" courses in the area. For years they thought the course was designed by Ross, but recent investigations have revealed that it was one of only a couple solo Colt courses in the US. It is in shouting distance from Oakland Hills and Franklin Hills, so the rolling terrain is similar. The course is routed up and down and across some of the hills. The greens do not have as much movement as OH but still are interesting and fast. Mike Devries just finished some work there. He moved the practice tee a bit and made 1 & 18 a double fairway. The bunkers were restored and the third and fourth holes changed to a long beast of a downhill par three and a long par four.


There are a lot of good courses out there.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 01:57:48 PM by Tommy Williamsen »
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Walker Thomas

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2021, 10:37:48 AM »
I was able to play St. George's in NY this summer and it was awesome! Some really fascinating bunkering and fun greens. It was a pretty interesting piece of property that Emmet was able to work with really well. I think Hanse did some work out there fairly recently too. Hole 17 was a crazy fun short hole over a deep quarry. Great example of how a relatively short course can hold its own. I'm sure the main reason it gets overlooked is because of the location in golf rich Long Island.

Dan_Callahan

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2021, 10:43:17 AM »
Bretwood in NH was by far my biggest surprise. I hadn't even heard of it, and now I think it's one of the most enjoyable courses in the state, and I've only played the South Course so far. North Course looks just as good.

Mark Kiely

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2021, 11:45:51 AM »
As a Californian for most of my life, weird coincidence for me with Tommy's post. Although I've never played either one, I have tangential connections to both courses he mentioned.


I was born in Elyria and IIRC at the time, my parents lived in an apartment directly adjacent to Elyria CC. We later moved to California when I was six. In high school one of my best friends had moved from Michigan and was a former caddy at Bloomfield Hills and always told us how great it is compared to courses we typically played.
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mike_malone

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2021, 11:47:15 AM »
Tavistock in Haddonfield NJ was my surprise.  It had a variety of looks, movement , and putting surfaces that make for a very pleasant day.
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Will Spivey

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2021, 12:03:18 PM »
Morris County Country Club (NJ) for me. Honestly, I hadn't really heard of it until my friend joined. Great club with a lovely, and challenging, course. Short by modern standards, the greens present a great defense. I'd happily play it every day.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2021, 12:30:37 PM »
Check my signature. It was an intrepid and fruitful year.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Marty Bonnar

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2021, 12:33:32 PM »
CRUDEN BAY!
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Cory Lewis

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2021, 12:38:29 PM »
Green Hills in San Francisco.  A fantastic MacKenzie with one of the best opening holes in California.  I was shocked how much movement the property had for such a small site. 


Closer to home, Rolling Green golf course in Easley, South Carolina is a course on a delightful piece of property with a shockingly good design.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2021, 12:52:18 PM »
I've had two this year:  Knoll West (not new to any of the veterans of this site) and Stoatin Brae.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2021, 02:23:40 PM »
Oh, and Cavendish and Reddish Vale of course. Two early MacKenzies. Some utterly brilliant true golf course architecture.
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The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

V_Halyard

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2021, 02:53:33 PM »
My two surprises were new to me based on previous notes of others are Stoatin Brae in Michigan and Lac Labelle in Wisconsin. are both quite tasty.  Also by Craig Haltom is the sand based Stevens Point CC.
"It's a tiny little ball that doesn't even move... how hard could it be?"  I will walk and carry 'til I can't... or look (really) stupid.

David Wuthrich

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2021, 03:36:13 PM »
Belvedere in Michigan

Brian Finn

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2021, 04:51:40 PM »
Two pop into my mind immediately, both in my current home state of NC...

Cape Fear CC - even among the numerous good to great Donald Ross courses in NC, Cape Fear was a standout.  Great land, terrific greens, wonderful flow (with one weird detour that I will conveniently file under 'quirk'  ;D ).  I loved CFCC.

The Cardinal - 1975 Pete Dye, with updates (mostly on and around greens, I am told) in 2011, it had the look and feel of the Pete Dye courses designed and built before everyone started asking for another iteration of TPC.  A pretty nice property, I doubt nearly as much earth was moved here as in many later Dye courses.  Solid routing, tons of variety, strategy and angles on every shot.  I heard nightmare stories about this place, so did not visit for a long time.  I am glad I finally got there.  Really fun, keeps you engaged through the entire round.
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Will Spivey

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2021, 05:01:22 PM »
Two pop into my mind immediately, both in my current home state of NC...

Cape Fear CC - even among the numerous good to great Donald Ross courses in NC, Cape Fear was a standout.  Great land, terrific greens, wonderful flow (with one weird detour that I will conveniently file under 'quirk'  ;D ).  I loved CFCC.

The Cardinal - 1975 Pete Dye, with updates (mostly on and around greens, I am told) in 2011, it had the look and feel of the Pete Dye courses designed and built before everyone started asking for another iteration of TPC.  A pretty nice property, I doubt nearly as much earth was moved here as in many later Dye courses.  Solid routing, tons of variety, strategy and angles on every shot.  I heard nightmare stories about this place, so did not visit for a long time.  I am glad I finally got there.  Really fun, keeps you engaged through the entire round.


CFCC is my favorite course in Wilmington. Eagle Point is a great hang, but I think Cape Fear is a better course. I'll not comment on the dreadful (member-designed as I understand it) 18th hole.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2021, 05:35:45 PM »
Knighton in Mid-Wales.
A hilly 9-holes, grazed by sheep with a fair few yee olde style square greens, cut-n-fill ones at that, and severe cut-n-fill too.
Not the norm but great fun and just the kind of course golf architecture enthusiasts ought to visit.
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Jon Sweet

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2021, 06:39:24 PM »
I’d have to say Aiken GC although I’m a huge Ross fan so it isn’t so much of a surprise. I loved Somerset Hills. That being a top 40ish type course I’d guess it wasn’t a surprise but I genuinely loved the day. I’ve played Jefferson Lakeside before but the redo really turned out amazing here in RVA. First Tee also did a great job with the 12 hole Belmont course and the 6 hole par 3 course has 4 3s that are as good as any in town.

Brian Finn

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2021, 06:40:49 PM »
I don't think Ross was involved at Aiken.  Still a darn good course, though.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 06:43:41 PM by Brian Finn »
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

MCirba

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2021, 06:41:04 PM »
What a great idea for a thread!   I'll do some reviewing and thinking and report back.
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MCirba

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2021, 06:45:26 PM »
I believe Ross changed the greens to grass and one might assume he may have re-contoured them when he did so back in the late 1920s.

I'm not sure all of the research and can't recall the sources that went into what I have in my database and I'm hoping perhaps Sven can validate or correct me, but this is what I have.   Generally, I think the two biggest influences on what's there today are the 2nd and the 3rd listed.   

 Donald Ross 1912 John Ingles 1915, Donald Ross 1928, James McNair, Jr. 2000




 
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Brian Finn

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2021, 06:47:10 PM »
I believe Ross changed the greens to grass and one might assume he may have re-contoured them when he did so back in the late 1920s.

I'm not sure all of the research and can't recall the sources that went into what I have in my database and I'm hoping perhaps Sven can validate or correct me, but this is what I have.   Generally, I think the two biggest influences on what's there today are the 2nd and the 3rd listed.   

 Donald Ross 1912 John Ingles 1915, Donald Ross 1928, James McNair, Jr. 2000
Well, I should have left my comment as I originally phrased it...I honestly did not know that. 
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Mike_Trenham

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2021, 07:08:35 PM »
Jeffersonville - while it was not a new play for me it had been a while since my last visit, the work in the last 10 years (Tyler Rae and in house staff primarily) on a tight budget is transformative and continues.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2021, 07:15:47 PM »
Sleepy Hollow GC in Cleveland

Mike Worth

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2021, 07:26:43 PM »
Bidermann outside of Wilmington, Delaware.




Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Nice surprises you played this summer
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2021, 07:45:05 PM »
Bidermann outside of Wilmington, Delaware.


Mike, Bidermann is one of those courses I want to play. It has a mystique about it.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi