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Steve_ Shaffer

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Eisenhower Golf Course – one mile outside the capital city of Annapolis, Maryland and named after the 34th U. S. President and avid golfer Dwight D. Eisenhower – is scheduled for completion of a major course renovation this fall under the deft guidance of burgeoning architectural superstar Andrew Green.
The $5 million project covers a complete overhaul of the public-access facility, highlighted by the removal of all bunkers on the 18-hole golf course for greater sustainability.

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https://www.morningread.com/industry-news/release/2020-07-27/eisenhower-golf-course-nears-completion-of-major-course-renovation-with-eco-friendly-focus
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Bernie Bell

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2020, 10:51:01 AM »
Who says there's no innovation these days?  Perhaps re-imagining more of these "Dark Ages" routings (Ed Ault 1969) in and near population centers will be the next thing.  Exciting news.

MCirba

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2020, 12:19:33 PM »
I can honestly say I've never seen a bad Edmund Ault routing, irrespective of when it was done.
His golf courses served the same growing consumer need of the 1950s and 1960s as the Green Giant's cans of beans and corn.
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Bernie Bell

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2020, 12:50:57 PM »
"When Andrew Green first walked the land at Eisenhower, he quickly realized the project he’d been hired for would not require much moving of dirt.  "I would say it’s some of the best golfing ground in the region," said Green, who is based in Forest Hill. “It was very impressive. The existing layout, the hole corridors, greens locations, they were just spectacular. I think it’s exciting to see that kind of land utilized in this manner and allowing us to really situate all those natural assets.’’"

https://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/ac-cs-eisenhower-golf-closing0930-story.html

MCirba

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2020, 01:32:55 PM »
Beautiful, Bernie...thanks for sharing!

I can't wait to get down and see it.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2020, 06:35:25 PM »
Eisenhower always had a lot of potential. I lived in the county for thirty years, but only played the course half a dozen times. It has some very good holes. The only drawback was the conditioning. I am thrilled to see the course come of age.
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Andrew Harvie

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2020, 06:54:35 PM »
Andrew Green... so hot right now. I'll add it to my list. His work at Inverness Club is exceptional

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2020, 01:58:29 PM »

When visiting the course for the first time, Green said: “I saw so many fun shots using the character and topography already there. And I thought we could do something special here, and don’t need bunkers. There will be plenty of interesting and engaging holes for strategy and ‘trouble’ without sand. Each shot is special; it’s not a course with a bunch of thoughtless swings. Giving something no one else has will excite golfers.”






https://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/content/andrew-green-nears-completion-of-us5m-renovation-of-eisenhower
« Last Edit: March 09, 2021, 09:16:55 AM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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Conley Hurst

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2020, 02:13:59 PM »
Any idea when they will re-open?


Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2021, 10:03:57 AM »
I hope to get in August. When we lived in Annapolis, this was the home course for my son's high school golf team.
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2021, 05:28:25 AM »
I'm excited to see Green's work at Congo too!  It's going to be tough to even call Congo a parkland course after the wholesale tree removal.  Can't wait to see Eisenhower as well as Waynesboro after Green's redos at both.

MCirba

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2021, 09:18:11 AM »
Which Waynesboro, Jonathan?
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2021, 11:59:16 AM »
Which Waynesboro, Jonathan?


The one near you Mike.

MCirba

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2021, 01:17:43 PM »
Thanks, Jonathan...I was unaware. 

Gosh, that's a hard golf course.   
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2021, 01:26:11 PM »

Does every golf course need bunkers? Andrew Green doesn't think so.



https://golf.com/travel/no-bunkers-preserve-eisenhower-muni-mondays
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Ben Hollerbach

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2021, 08:53:06 AM »
The Golf Magazine article alludes to increased pace of play due to no bunkers. At face value that makes sense. As getting out of a bunker is a challenging skill for the average player, removing bunkers will reduce number of shots and reduce time for each player to rake the bunker.


But I've heard from those who have played the course recently that the grass in the bunker depressions are kept longer than the areas around them, in the 4-6" range. When a ball is hit into the grass bunkers the player has to spend more time hunting in the long grass to find their ball. This is not a typical case with a sand bunker as recognizing a ball in the bunker is a quick and easy task. The end result is that players have to spend more time locating their ball and playing it out of the grass bunker than they would have playing their ball and raking up the sand bunker. Which has negatively impacted pace of play.


Looking at the pictures in the article and on the golf courses websites, you can see that the grass bunkers and mounds that were build to replace the sand bunkers do indeed have much longer grasses. Which makes me believe that the decision to treat the grounds in this way was a mutual decision between the architect and the superintendent. I have to wonder, why the high grass was felt to be necessary. Shouldn't the normal rough height plus the mounding and hollows be a sufficient challenge for the typical Eisenhower player?

MCirba

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2021, 11:02:22 AM »
Ben, I was thinking much the same thing.

One of the courses I grew up playing was a municipal course where bunkers were shaped by the architect but most were never filled with sand, probably due to financial reasons.   They were mowed at generally fairway height yet for better players provided actually more challenge than sand shot recoveries.   For the average player just trying to get it on the green they succeeded in that respect, as well.   Once you introduce ultra-high roughs and the "hack out" you introduce ping-pong around the greens very quickly.   Hoping they manage that situation at Eisenhower at it looks to be an interesting, sustainable approach with shorter grass.
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2021, 06:38:05 AM »
I can honestly say I've never seen a bad Edmund Ault routing, irrespective of when it was done.
His golf courses served the same growing consumer need of the 1950s and 1960s as the Green Giant's cans of beans and corn.


Mike - I may be wrong but wasn't Eddie's first unofficial course Indian Springs (don't know the date)?  I wrote a history of the Ault family some years ago and remember that Eddie was still working in the insurance business until 1960 when he teamed up with Jamisen to design River Bend (Eddie's first design of record.)  They charged $5000. 


An interesting aside about River Bend.  It was built over a piece of then dirt cheap farmland.  Approx 1/4 of the original members were govvies - actually employees of the CIA.  In one of the more unusual design constraints levied on Jamisen/Ault, they had to layout the course around five high points on the property.  One was for the tiny clubhouse.  The other four were strategic vantage points where, in times of emergency during the Cold War, agents could get to these 4 promontories and yell to agents playing golf to get their asses back in - they were needed back at the CIA.


OK you architects out there - beat that for unusually design constraints! :-)   




Bernie Bell

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2021, 12:17:51 PM »
Some info on Indian Spring and Ed Ault here.

https://archive.lib.msu.edu/tic/matnl/article/1966oct.pdf

I believe that Ault teamed up with Jamison in 1955(ish) to do some work and/or consulting for U. of Maryland course.  Can't source that at the moment. 

Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2021, 01:20:34 PM »
Some info on Indian Spring and Ed Ault here.

https://archive.lib.msu.edu/tic/matnl/article/1966oct.pdf

I believe that Ault teamed up with Jamison in 1955(ish) to do some work and/or consulting for U. of Maryland course.  Can't source that at the moment.


George Cobb designed the original U of MD course which opened in 1956.  Seems unlikely they brought Jamison/Ault in so soon after first opening.  This from a proud Terrapin alumni!

Bernie Bell

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2021, 02:07:23 PM »
At risk of derailing Eisenhower thread - my sources

"At a June 24, 1955, meeting of the Board of Regents, chaired by Judge William P. Cole, Mr. Brown’s Athletic Committee’s findings were presented. A primary recommendation was to retain the services of Messrs. Ault and Jamison for the tee-to-green layout and to employ a licensed and established golf course architect, Mr. George W. Cobb, for specifications and construction plans and for supervision of construction.”https://www.golf.umd.edu/-golf-course-history
And from Golfdom August 1955:“Construction begun on University of Maryland course . . . Al Jamison, pro at Goose Creek CC, and Eddie Ault, Green chmn., Indian Spring CC (Washington DC dist.) designed the U of Maryland 18.” 
« Last Edit: September 03, 2021, 02:16:32 PM by Bernie Bell »

Bernie Bell

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2021, 02:17:20 PM »
I give up trying to edit above to make it legible.  Hopefully you get the gist of it. 

Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Eisenhower GC near Annapolis, MD gets an Andrew Green Renovation
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2021, 04:18:46 PM »
Sorry too for the derailment.  Seems they were involved as Bernie points out.  What does it mean their services for the tee to green were used??

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