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Steve Kline

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2021, 08:19:57 AM »
Thanks for posting this Brad. Since our club (Hyde Park) is launching a new master plan/restoration project with Tyler Rae, I forwarded the article to our grounds committee. The bullet point list of lessons is very helpful.

MCirba

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2021, 01:58:26 PM »
Excellent article, Brad.


I played Inverness a few years back and can only think of one other course where the incongruous dichotomy between the original remaining holes and holes that had been built in modern times was so stark.  That course thankfully has also had a recent restoration and I look forward to returning to both someday.
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Brad Klein

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2021, 03:19:37 PM »
Mike, that one worked out well, too, though in some ways Inverness was more dramatic, more poignant.

Chris_Blakely

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2021, 03:31:09 PM »
Thank you for sharing the article, it was a great read.


I was fortunate enough to play the course with a long time member shortly after the restoration was complete.  The restored holes / holes that were designed based on previous Ross holes lost are very well done.  Couple that with the tree removal and opening up views throughout the course is also very well done.

Bret Lawrence

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2021, 10:11:33 AM »
Great article Brad. 


Here is a brief summary of the course from August 1931 showing diagrams and pictures of each hole at Inverness.


Joe Mayo a turf specialist started his career at Inverness under William Rockefeller.  Joe Mayo later went on to become the greenkeeper at Pebble Beach.  Mayo built courses for Seth Raynor in Hawaii and California. He also built Caracas Country Club in Venezuela for Charles Banks.  Mayo later went on to build courses for William Bell in the West.  He is briefly mentioned in this article.


From The National Greenkeeper-August 1931:


https://archive.lib.msu.edu/tic/ngktc/article/1931aug5.pdf


Congratulations to the club on their successful restoration/renovation.

Nate Oxman

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2021, 10:09:35 PM »
I've been reading Herbert Warren Wind's Following Through, a compilation of his work from The New Yorker. In a story following the 1979 U.S. Open at Inverness, Wind mentioned this about the course when it held the 1920 Open:


"From the old golf hands who attended this Open (1920), I gather that while Inverness proved to be a fairly testing layout, spread over nice rolling terrain, it struck no one as a truly great course. For one thing, its routing was uninspired: No fewer than eight holes (the second, the eleventh, the twelfth, the fourteenth, the fifteenth, the sixteenth, the seventeenth and the sixth) ran more or less parallel to each other. Certainly it was not at all in the same class as the two courses that are today (in 1979) considered Ross's masterpieces - Seminole, in North Palm Beach, which was completed in 1929, and his wonderful wholesale revision of Pinehurst No. 2..."


Thoughts?

Steve Kline

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2021, 03:33:50 AM »
How many holes at TOC run parallel?


Yes, they aren't parallel in a series, but why does that matter if it creates good/great holes?




Chris_Blakely

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2021, 03:28:59 PM »
When looking at the aerial of the course many of the holes on the northern portion of the property run partially parallel.  The reason for this is that is some of the best land on the course and Ross chose to use this land to create some very interesting tee boxes and green locations at high points on either side of the creek.  None of the holes felt even remotely similar when I played.



I wonder if you would feel the same if the old 13th par three hole still existed behind the 18th green?  [size=78%]At the very least it would not give the impression that all holes in this area of the course are parallel.[/size]


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PCCraig

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2021, 04:34:21 PM »
"Generational Statement"?? Really??
H.P.S.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2021, 04:48:15 PM »
I haven't played Inverness so curious for this price tag $3.6 million in course work, did they touch irrigation across the entire course? It isn't mentioned anywhere, as they did reconfigure some new holes.
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Mike_Trenham

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2021, 07:15:40 PM »
Holy Toledo! 


All this work for only $3.6 million with a top notch architect and contractor?


I want to hear more about how this was accomplished.
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Bret Lawrence

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2021, 10:58:07 AM »
I've been reading Herbert Warren Wind's Following Through, a compilation of his work from The New Yorker. In a story following the 1979 U.S. Open at Inverness, Wind mentioned this about the course when it held the 1920 Open:


"From the old golf hands who attended this Open (1920), I gather that while Inverness proved to be a fairly testing layout, spread over nice rolling terrain, it struck no one as a truly great course. For one thing, its routing was uninspired: No fewer than eight holes (the second, the eleventh, the twelfth, the fourteenth, the fifteenth, the sixteenth, the seventeenth and the sixth) ran more or less parallel to each other. Certainly it was not at all in the same class as the two courses that are today (in 1979) considered Ross's masterpieces - Seminole, in North Palm Beach, which was completed in 1929, and his wonderful wholesale revision of Pinehurst No. 2..."


Thoughts?


I think Wind makes a tough comparison.  In 1920, Inverness would have likely been a greater course than Pinehurst with its sand greens.  Comparing the 1920 version of Inverness to a course Ross spent every year of his life at seems like an unfair comparison.  Seminole was built 9 years later than Inverness and Ross was given a large budget and a clean slate on terrific land.


Inverness was a remodeled Ross course, not a Ross original, like Pinehurst and Seminole. Ross likely inherited some of the routing from the previous Inverness course. Inverness was interested in hosting national championships, which perhaps led the club to follow more of a penal approach of golf architecture.  The 1931 layout looks similar to Oakmont with bunkers everywhere.  Maybe it was the repetition of bunkers and streams on these parallel holes that gave the players the mindset that it wasn’t truly great? 


In any case, since 1920, the original second hole and sixth holes have been changed to longer doglegs which aren’t as parallel as they once were. I also get the feeling from the Inverness course tour that viewing matches was a consideration for these closing holes.  Perhaps it was easier for the crowds to follow the action on these parallel holes? As the matches would come to an end, this piece of property seems to have a natural amphitheater offering good viewing lines for those watching the matches.


The routing seems to be improved with this latest renovation.  The routing is also very symmetrical now, which allows for different sequencing of holes. If the club ever decided they don’t like having all of those parallel holes together, they could change the sequence of holes.  You could play 1-5, then play 15 and 16,  then jump over to 8 and play 8 and 9 in.  On the back you could play 10, 11, 12, 13, 14.  Jump down to 5 and 6 then play 17 and 18 to finish.  There are other options as well if they chose to use the 10th as the starting hole.  I’m not saying the club should mess with their historical starting and finishing holes , but there are other options to playing the course with the new routing. 


Is it a truly great course? I don’t know, I have never played it.  It’s clearly not ranked as high as Pinehurst and Seminole, so Wind’s critique still hold true.  However, if you are aware of its history, Inverness Club has proved over the last 100 years to be a truly great venue in respect to hosting national championships for the best players in the world.

mike_beene

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2021, 11:44:43 PM »
Would Michigan give up the upper peninsula to get Inverness back?

Steve Kline

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2021, 05:46:07 AM »
Would Michigan give up the upper peninsula to get Inverness back?


Your question caused me to learn something new today - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War. I've lived in Ohio my whole life and never heard of this.


Seems like one of the clubs in Detroit and Inverness should host a late season invitational called The Frostbitten.

mike_malone

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2021, 09:02:57 AM »
As I watch today I wonder how long they will keep many of those sharp or highly crafted features. The history is that things get softened.
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Steve Lang

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2021, 11:58:33 PM »
 8)  Given the folks at Inverness have been keen to host big and bigger things since the early days of SP Jermain, who had quite a history himself worth reading up on,  I suspect they'll be keeping things sharply up market for quite a while to continue showing off the place as much as possible.   And other than Greywalls and The Pictured Rocks, you can have the UP... its overrun by Wisconsin Badgers anyway..


I've seen it over the years since first view in the late 60's...  when I was politely escorted off the course during an interclub swim meet... I guess the warmup suit gave me away :o   got to see it in 79 up close and twice in the last 5 years during and after latest reno.  As a retail golfer, its my fav warmup for the annual GOO Open at Ottawa Park!  I certainly agree that the new southern holes feels much better, wide open, and things are definitely not any easier.   


ps  As a guest, to see the staff interaction with members, general hospitality, and watch the caddie troops there in action, is a very interesting dynamic, seems almost too good to believe and then you get to play and enjoy some well earned post-round decompression.







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Inverness (Toledo, OH) cathedral clock inscription: "God measures men by what they are. Not what they in wealth possess.  That vibrant message chimes afar.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2021, 12:29:31 AM »
I don't believe for a second that course looked a thing like it does today when Ross was alive. So many maintenance choke points that do nothing but tickle the eye. The stupid camera phone eye at that. Makes no sense for a man of his time.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2021, 07:32:09 AM »
I don't believe for a second that course looked a thing like it does today when Ross was alive. So many maintenance choke points that do nothing but tickle the eye. The stupid camera phone eye at that. Makes no sense for a man of his time.


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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2021, 08:01:45 AM »
It’s like a exaggeration told by a child when the truth would have been good enough. Easy enough to look past since no harm was done.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2021, 08:07:40 AM »
It’s like a exaggeration told by a child when the truth would have been good enough. Easy enough to look past since no harm was done.


But John, your statement is completely false. Those are photos of Inverness from when Ross was alive. Anyone is welcome to believe what they'd like, but I don't know how you get more proof than that. Like Rasheed Wallace used to say, "Ball don't lie."
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2021, 08:27:05 AM »
When you recreate something from a picture there will always be plus or minus 5% accuracy. This course looks like they erred on the plus every hole. If they wouldn't have flipped the nines for the tournament I doubt I would have noticed.


Thanks for the links. I particularly enjoyed seeing where laser technology was used to recreate a green. That must make people feel good about themselves.



Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2021, 08:48:27 AM »
Inverness is a very friendly and welcoming club. In the late 80's and early 90's my son and I played the course every year on the way to my folks in MI. I never understood its high ranking on top hundred lists. Holes three through six were like forlorn step children that didn't belong in the family. The long straight parallel holes at the end of the round were hard but boring. The old 7th and the 18th were all world but didn't make up for the rest of the course. The course I see now bears little resemblance to the course I played. Good for the membership to bite the bullet and go ahead with the restoration-new design. It took a leap of faith to do it. I can't wait to get back.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2021, 11:35:38 AM »
I don't understand the photo of the 4th hole, Brad. It looks like a picture of trees. Is that what it is meant to be? Thank you in advance.
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Inverness - the restoration that made a generational statement
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2021, 03:42:20 PM »
This isn't rocket science. My guess is the club did a little homework and looked at the other 'restorations that made a generational statement" and did the right thing.


Among a few, the following clubs did it right and they basically fed off that.


Cal Club
LACC
Pinehurst
Sleepy Hollow
Old Town


On another note, I'm surprised like many on the budget?  Perhaps that's worth an article on itself.


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