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David Ober

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Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« on: August 29, 2021, 09:20:39 PM »
Good buddy, Tim Hogarth, was medalist today. So many great senior ams in the field, guys like Gene Elliott, Bob Royak, Chip Lutz, Mike McCoy, Jeff Wilson, Casey Boyns, and Jeff Knox (yes, the same Jeff Knox from August who beat Rory and Sergio while marking for them at The Masters).

I have played quite a bit of golf over the years with and against Hogarth. He is an amazingly consistent ball-striker.

There's a great Phil Mickelson story about Hogarth that I've confirmed is true: Mickelson and Hogarth are hitting balls at the Callaway "center" near each other. After a while, Mickelson comes over to Hogarth, and simply says:


"You must be a really shitty putter, because I don't know who you are ...."

So good!

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/championships/2021/u-s--senior-amateur.html#!scoring


Mark Smolens

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2021, 10:08:00 PM »
Art Sellinger (of long drive fame) misses the cut. . . I guess hitting it deep isn't relevant anymore???

Brent Carlson

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2021, 11:15:50 PM »
David,


I wish they would televise some of the match play.  It should be good.


Our own Anthony Gholz summarizes the history of the course in the video below.  It was originally Colt, then Alison, then Jones and finally restored more to the Alison style by Mr. Doak.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtRZsc4JC04


It's also neat what they're doing to commemorate Arnold Palmer's 1954 US Am win at Country Club of Detroit.


https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/championships/2021/u-s--senior-amateur/articles/palmer-1954-us-am-win-celebrated-cc-of-detroit.html#returnable


Good luck to your friends!
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JohnVDB

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2021, 02:13:38 AM »
That leaderboard is a who’s who of senior (formerly mid) amateur golf.  Others include Tim Jackson, Sean Knapp, Buddy Alexander and Ken Bakst.


If Tim and Jeff Wilson can win their first two matches, they’ll meet in the round of 16.  The best match I ever refereed was between them at the 2002 Mid-Am at Stanwich.  They are good friends so it was very convivial for the first 13 or so holes with lots of laughter and generous concessions.  They were all square coming off 13.  Tim birdied two of the next four holes and lost 2 and 1 as Jeff birdied all 4 of them.
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2021, 08:35:30 AM »
Watch out for Jim Scorse. I've played a lot with Jim and he is one tough competitor. Lives for tournament golf.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2021, 08:44:03 AM »


I have played quite a bit of golf over the years with and against Hogarth. He is an amazingly consistent ball-striker.

There's a great Phil Mickelson story about Hogarth that I've confirmed is true: Mickelson and Hogarth are hitting balls at the Callaway "center" near each other. After a while, Mickelson comes over to Hogarth, and simply says:


"You must be a really shitty putter, because I don't know who you are ...."

So good!



OT, but many years ago, when my mentors did projects with Jack Tuthill, then director of the PGA Tour, and in walking around the then under construction Kemper Lakes, their assistant pro went with to hit some test shots, bombing shot after shot on the tee and smoking the pin on all the approach shots he took. 


Tuthill asks him why he isn't on the Tour, and the kid replies, with clenched teeth, "Because I can't putt, sir!"  As I recall the discussion, Tuthill figured there were at least ten guys for every guy on tour who weren't there because they couldn't putt, even with their great ball striking.  Maybe 100.


My son might have been one of them.  For all four years of HS, I heard is daily golf recap, which usually included hitting about 15 greens, average distance of 15-20 feet, and only one birdie for a 70 or 71, which was typical.  We follow Vijay Sinh at the Byron Nelson that year, who had similar tee to green stats but holed enough putts to shoot 69 or whatever, with even a bogey mixed in.  I think he had an epiphany that day that he wasn't ever going to get past college level golf.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

John Blain

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2021, 10:00:16 AM »
Watch out for Jim Scorse. I've played a lot with Jim and he is one tough competitor. Lives for tournament golf.
Rob-
In the 2 stroke play rounds Scorse had 26 pars, 5 birdies and 5 bogeys. Solid as a rock and so typical of Jim Scorse. He'll be a tough out but everyone who makes the draw is very capable.
Dan Russo (Albany area) and Kevin VandenBerg (Central NY) also made the draw so upstate NY is well represented.
In addition, defending champion Bob Royak grew up in Albany. I played HS and junior golf with and against him. One of us got a whole lot better in the past 40+ years :) [size=78%] [/size]
-John


David_Tepper

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2021, 11:28:19 AM »
In addition to Jeff Wilson, Randy Haag and Casey Boyns have been dominant players in Northern California for multiple decades. Each has won the NCGA Championship twice and Casey has also won the Cal State Amateur twice. Casey has won 16 various NCGA Championships and Randy has won 14. Randy was low amateur at the British Senior Open at least once. 
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Steve Kline

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2021, 11:33:17 AM »
Seeing Tim as the medalist at the Senior Am reminded me of my match against him in the Mid-Am at Bandon when he was also a medalist.


Tim was the nicest guy to play with. Neither of us was more than 1 up during the match. I birdied 18 to force sudden death. He birdied 19 to win. Walking off the 19th hole, Tim said, "What the hell happened to you the first two days? Usually as the medalist your first match is pretty easy."


My one and only USGA event (so far).

David_Tepper

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2021, 12:42:51 PM »
Tim Hogarth loses to the 64th seed (Kory Frost) on the 21st hole.

JohnVDB

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2021, 12:53:13 PM »
Tim Hogarth loses to the 64th seed (Kory Frost) on the 21st hole.


The curse of the medalist strikes again.


My theory on that is that the medalist has played two good rounds and three in a row is tough, while the 64th player is frequently a very good player who might have had one bad day and is due for a good round.




John Blain

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2021, 01:07:06 PM »
Tim Hogarth loses to the 64th seed (Kory Frost) on the 21st hole.


The curse of the medalist strikes again.


My theory on that is that the medalist has played two good rounds and three in a row is tough, while the 64th player is frequently a very good player who might have had one bad day and is due for a good round.
@JVB-
Completely agree. You can also throw in that the 64th seed has nothing to lose and playing against a player who is expected to advance so all the pressure is on the medalist.  If Hogarth had managed to pull out that first round match today he might well have gone on to win the tournament. When you end up winning a close match where you maybe should have lost it gives you confidence and frees you up. You see it all the time in match play and also in the NCAA BB tournament.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2021, 01:35:41 PM »
Where are you guys finding the results? Even the USGA website doesn't have the scoring listed.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine


Jeff Schley

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2021, 02:10:34 PM »
Jim,
I don't know why, but I looked there before and now again with your link and it is just blank.  Tee times blank and course statistics are blank.  Are you seeing scoring under your link? Weird.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

Brent Carlson

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2021, 02:15:39 PM »
Jim,
I don't know why, but I looked there before and now again with your link and it is just blank.  Tee times blank and course statistics are blank.  Are you seeing scoring under your link? Weird.


Jeff,


I'm guessing you are out of the country.  Try a VPN if you can.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2021, 02:40:35 PM »
Brent... I use a VPN. But I disconnected it and boom...... it works without a VPN, but not with it!  Very odd, can't think of another instance where that would happen.  Thanks for bringing it up.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

David_Tepper

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2021, 02:48:39 PM »
"I'm guessing you are out of the country.  Try a VPN if you can."

I am in Scotland right now. Not having any problem getting the link to open.

JohnVDB

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2021, 03:23:17 PM »
"I'm guessing you are out of the country.  Try a VPN if you can."

I am in Scotland right now. Not having any problem getting the link to open.


I’m also in Scotland (two doors down from David)  ;)  [size=78%]and it’s working fine.[/size]
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[/size]All the big names I recognize in the top half of the draw lost today.  Could have some fun tomorrow if Mike McCoy and Gene Eliot both go on to win matches they are currently ahead in.  An Iowa battle of epic proportions.[size=78%]

David Ober

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2021, 06:30:34 PM »
Kory and Tim are both great friends. Wish that hadn't met in the round of 64, dammit!

archie_struthers

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2021, 08:32:27 PM »
 8)
 


Both our Philly guys prevailed today so as a complete homer I'm quite happy!




 8) ;D ;)

Rob Marshall

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2021, 08:49:24 PM »
Watch out for Jim Scorse. I've played a lot with Jim and he is one tough competitor. Lives for tournament golf.
Rob-
In the 2 stroke play rounds Scorse had 26 pars, 5 birdies and 5 bogeys. Solid as a rock and so typical of Jim Scorse. He'll be a tough out but everyone who makes the draw is very capable.
Dan Russo (Albany area) and Kevin VandenBerg (Central NY) also made the draw so upstate NY is well represented.
In addition, defending champion Bob Royak grew up in Albany. I played HS and junior golf with and against him. One of us got a whole lot better in the past 40+ years :)
-John


All three moved on. Nice showing for Upstate!
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2021, 10:04:39 PM »
Tim Hogarth loses to the 64th seed (Kory Frost) on the 21st hole.


The curse of the medalist strikes again.


My theory on that is that the medalist has played two good rounds and three in a row is tough, while the 64th player is frequently a very good player who might have had one bad day and is due for a good round.


Also, the #64 guy has often come out of a playoff and has some momentum, and as also thrilled to be there with not too much pressure.

Terry Lavin

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2021, 08:04:41 AM »
I’ve been involved in a lot of USGA and WGA events, both amateur and professional and I can state unequivocally that the 2009 US Senior Amateur at Beverly was my favorite week in golf.


The players aren’t demanding. They are competitive but very collegial. And they still have a lot of game.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

JohnVDB

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Re: Off Topic: U.S. Senior Amateur at Country Club of Detroit
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2021, 10:01:47 AM »
The players aren’t demanding.


The difference between the senior amateurs and senior tour pros is like night and day.

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