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Peter Flory

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Re: Phil on USGA Limiting the length of driver
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2021, 12:44:24 PM »
Omg Peter that photo of Yao and Player looks photo shopped as it is so much of a disparity.   However I know it isn't.  To think they both need to use the same length club is odd to regulate.


It looks like he could probably use Gary Player as a golf club if he wanted to. 

Kalen Braley

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Re: Phil on USGA Limiting the length of driver
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2021, 02:10:50 PM »

Amen. From a legitimate bomb hitter.

John Daly

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I totally agree with you brother but why don’t they just change the cheapest thing made in golf……the #golfball#bringthegolfballback NO common sense!



Jeff,

Its a compelling argument when even the Tour's most prominent redneck can see the obvious solution.

P.S.  100% agreed with Peter's post around the USGA and Phil who has now legitimized this half-ass attempt to "fix" god knows what.

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Phil on USGA Limiting the length of driver
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2021, 05:41:51 PM »
As I’ve said before, forget about the clubs, just re-calibrate the damn ball!
Atb


+1
Just add more spin to the damn ball

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Phil on USGA Limiting the length of driver
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2021, 06:30:16 PM »

+1
Just add more spin to the damn ball
I don't think that's going to do nearly as much as you think.






That's doubling the spin (tour players and equipment engineers would figure out how to knock that back down quite a bit pretty quickly) and all for… ten yards with a driver?


And that's without changing any of the other launch conditions, etc.
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Ken Moum

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Re: Phil on USGA Limiting the length of driver
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2021, 12:16:50 AM »
As I’ve said before, forget about the clubs, just re-calibrate the damn ball!
Atb


+1
Just add more spin to the damn ball


For some reason, people can't seem to understand that there's a 90-year-old solution.  Lighten the damned ball.


No, there's an essay on this site that has been used to counter the idea, https://golfclubatlas.com/in-my-opinion/john-vander-borght-the-balloon-ball/, but it COMPLETELY overlooks the advances in ball construction in the last 90 years.


When the USGA both increased the minimum diameter and dropped the maximum weight of the ball, everyone was playing balata balls, which had only replaced gutties in the early years of the century. As anyone who played them balata balls were VERY hard to hit straight, and were even harder to control in the wind.  And the harder you hit them them the more difficult it became.


Which explains why Jack could hit a 341-yard drive to win the PGA Long Drive competition in 1963, but never hit it like that in regular play.  It wasn't worth the risk to go at it that hard with a 42 7/8" persimmon driver when it meant the ball might exit the property.


With today's ball construction and big drivers a lighter ball would act more like balata for high ball speed players like the pros. It would curve more, maybe upshoot a bit in a headwind for those same players.


But the REAL beauty is that a SLIGHTLY lighter ball wouldn't hurt short hitters much, if at all.  In fact some folks think that seniors and women can benefit from ball that has a lower cross sectional density.  (See the TopFlite Magna and Callaway Supersoft Max that get this by increasing diameter...)


The gain in carry from a lighter ball might be significant for very low ball speed players. Short hitters would also benefit from the fact that it would sit up a tiny bit better on the fairway.


Best of all there's a quirk of ballistics that reducing cross sectional density disproportionately affects projectiles launched at higher velocities.


In other words, when you hit it harder, you don't anything like a linear increase in distance.


As far as the actual change in weight, it would be reasonably simple for the USGA to experiment with weights between the current 1.62 oz. limit and the 1.55 oz. standard of 1931.


The most common negative, other than the old balloon ball experiment, which I think simply doesn't apply to modern multi-layer balls, is that it would make short game shots easier, especially out of the rough.


Oh, the horror!!
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Jeff Schley

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Re: Phil on USGA Limiting the length of driver
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2021, 12:59:34 AM »

+1
Just add more spin to the damn ball
I don't think that's going to do nearly as much as you think.






That's doubling the spin (tour players and equipment engineers would figure out how to knock that back down quite a bit pretty quickly) and all for… ten yards with a driver?


And that's without changing any of the other launch conditions, etc.
Erik is that you on the trackman? :) Impressive.
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Matthew Mollica

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Re: Phil on USGA Limiting the length of driver
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2021, 02:50:35 AM »
Some may criticise the USGA at nibbling away at the edges with this latest rules refinement. I hope they choose to act on more meaningful issues in times ahead, and that pointing to their line in the sand (now drawn more than 16 years ago) as well as several instances of regulatory reform as it pertains to equipment (grooves and shaft length) allow the governing body to point to precedents, making the path of ball reform a little easier. Naive of me perhaps, but we live in hope.
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