[John Kavanaugh]

So hat, shirt, and shoes with logo's are not advertising?

Using a gas station restroom isn't an endorsement of global warming.

[MCirba]

Can we just stop pretending there is still any such thing as an amateur competitive golfer at this level? 


Please...if golf isn't their full-time vocation yet it is certainly their full-time avocation and both require serious funding.

[John Kavanaugh]

It was nice to see that old dude win on the Korn Ferry yesterday and get his Tour Card. When you lose money trying to be a professional you may as well be an amateur. The USGA needs a new championship for the dreamers.

[Ken Moum]

When was the $750 amateur prize limit established? It would seem a little odd if the next round of revisions to the Amateur Status rules don't increase it to at least partially catch up with inflation (not just overall but in the cost of amateur tournament entries) in recent years.

When tournaments used to give merchandise prizes, the limit was always about what a set of new irons cost. And first prize was often exactly that. Some odd things happened, imho. Like giving the winner of a long-drive competition a new driver.


One prominent am from my part of the world was said to operate a veritable pro shop out of his basement in the winter.

[Ian Mackenzie]

The Western Am was at our club this year and I watched Austin play as he was staying at a friends house. He was NOT decked out in TM/A then.


What we also saw, pointed out to us by the WGA rules officials, were the scores of sports agents who flocked to the sweet 16 guys.


Thorbjornsen was head to toe taylor made/adidas at the Western.
So was Karl Villips and the Cooty twins.


Some kids had the logos of the equipment deals from their schools.
One of the kids staying with us just got new Titlest gear as the school he will be going to has that deal.

I hereby correct myself: Austin was in TM/Adidas at the Western: https://www.instagram.com/p/CR95jHyLVZr/

[Matt_Cohn]

So hat, shirt, and shoes with logo's are not advertising?

They are not. The rules state that standard clothing/equipment manufacturer's logos are permissible. If he wore a Cutter+Buck shirt, he could not put a TaylorMade logo on it; but if TaylorMade gives him a hat with a TaylorMade logo on it, that's fine.


I did read about the USGA waiving some of these rules for current college golfers to allow them to take advantage of the new NCAA NIL rules. Three Oklahoma State guys wore car dealership logos at the Am.



Note 1: An amateur golfer of golf skill or reputation may accept golf equipment from anyone dealing in such equipment provided no advertising is involved.


Note 2: Limited name and logo recognition is allowed on golf equipment and clothing. Further information relating to this Note and its proper interpretation is provided in 'Decisions on the Rules of Amateur Status.

[JESII]

This is a topic I am always very interested in.


While I understand the underlying principle of the NIL decision (don’t actually know what NIL stands for), I simply cannot imagine the USGA endorsing a rule that allows players in the US Amateur to logo up for compensation.


Are free clothes and equipment compensation? Sure, but I even get the argument that allowed that.


Enabling 3 OSU players to negotiate deals with a local car dealership is a bit startling.

[Kalen Braley]

Jim,

NIL = Name, Image, Likeness.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31086019/everything-need-know-ncaa-nil-debate

P.S.  Allowing local players, like the example you provided, to hook up with local sponsors is THE intent of the rule as I see it.

[JohnVDB]

So hat, shirt, and shoes with logo's are not advertising?

Advertising is when you associate your name with the product.  For example having a Titleist Bag with your name on it vs. having one without your name.


There was a time when the USGA would put tape over the company name on hats at the championships, but it was silly.

[JESII]

Jim,

NIL = Name, Image, Likeness.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31086019/everything-need-know-ncaa-nil-debate

P.S.  Allowing local players, like the example you provided, to hook up with local sponsors is THE intent of the rule as I see it.

Kalen, yes, it was the intent from the NCAA. Presumably they lost the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit.


While I understand the challenge the USGA faced in enforcing amateurism, when a great number of their competitors were just given a free pass for ~75% of their competitive year, I didn't expect them to fully capitulate.

[Kalen Braley]

Jim,

NIL = Name, Image, Likeness.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31086019/everything-need-know-ncaa-nil-debate

P.S.  Allowing local players, like the example you provided, to hook up with local sponsors is THE intent of the rule as I see it.

Kalen, yes, it was the intent from the NCAA. Presumably they lost the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit.

While I understand the challenge the USGA faced in enforcing amateurism, when a great number of their competitors were just given a free pass for ~75% of their competitive year, I didn't expect them to fully capitulate.

Not to haggle this point, but the intent from the NCAA was for none of this to happen and the status quo to remain.  They fought this with vigor all the way to SCOTUS.

It was the intent of those fighting the NCAA that their clients and future NCAA athletes should have NIL rights...

P.S. If it were up to the NCAA in its original form, athletes would still be disallowed from taking lunch at Taco Bell.

[John Kavanaugh]

Many college athletes, none of who are golfers, legitimately need help. The role that car dealers have played in amateur golf throughout my lifetime is one that brings me much happiness. I hate seeing their industry decimated.

[JESII]

As usual, there's a lot there John.


Let's focus on the car dealers and golf; has any industry supported local events better? How many hole-in-one cars have been donated to the outing circuit? I know...they're insured so not a full donation by the dealer, but still. Everyone in my town sponsors a little league team, or several.

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