[Wayne_Kozun]

Bigger bugaboo at some places is changing shoes in the parking lot.

This has been required for much of the last 15 months in Ontario as locker rooms have been closed for much of the last two seasons due to Covid.  My club just reopened full services in the locker room, like shoe cleaning/shining, this week.
Here in Canada in the last decade clubs have eased up on a lot of restrictions like denim and cell phones in order to become more attractive to younger people.  And I don't think that any club in Canada does not allow you to wear shorts. Two clubs in Montreal (Mount Bruno and Royal Montreal) may require knee socks with shorts but you can wear shorts at any private clubs in Toronto even Rosedale and Toronto GC which tend to be the most restrictive.

[Ian Mackenzie]

Mind you...we are discussing what a GUEST should do at a Top 100 club....NOT what club policies are for members.


If a guest is so rigid that he/she wants the club to bend to his/her own fashion eccentricities or habits, then - as a host - I would kindly ask that guest to either A) stay home or B) be a team player.
     
Do members show up in t-shirts or denim then go into the locker room and change? NO.


WTF is the difference (comfort-wise) in showing up in an Under Armor T-shirt or a collared UA golf shirt....? How much of an imposition can it be on said guest to conform to club rules given that he gets to play a top track?


And, if you plan on changing clothes after the round, why cant you do the same?


"Hi, I'm a guest. Do you mind if I make my own rules so that i dont have to conform to yours?"


Sure...Ba-Bye...;-)

[jeffwarne]

Like Jeff, I don't own much that isn't golf attire, except for suits and running shorts. I do not own jeans and haven't since I was a kid. There are a lot of folks that wear bermudas and golf shirts. I would never go anywhere in a tee shirt.

The more I think of this,
if you think you look silly in "golf attire" out and about in the real world,
perhaps you should reconsider your "golf attire".
I'd say pretty much any slacks I wear for golf I could put on a button down and attend a cocktail party, and/or add a blazer and attend a more formal event.
I guess that's the beauty of being "out of fashion" and not wearing tights when I play. (cause you can't unsee that)

[Kalen Braley]

Like Jeff, I don't own much that isn't golf attire, except for suits and running shorts. I do not own jeans and haven't since I was a kid. There are a lot of folks that wear bermudas and golf shirts. I would never go anywhere in a tee shirt.

The more I think of this,
if you think you look silly in "golf attire" out and about in the real world,
perhaps you should reconsider your "golf attire".
I'd say pretty much any slacks I wear for golf I could put on a button down and attend a cocktail party, and/or add a blazer and attend a more formal event.
I guess that's the beauty of being "out of fashion" and not wearing tights when I play. (cause you can't unsee that)

I wonder if this isn't a West Coast vs East Coast thing... cause out West dress is a lot more informal.

Last time I travelled back East was to the DC area.  I recall needing to stop in at Target on Saturday for something, and was shocked to see nearly everyone (the men anyways) wearing collared button down shirts and slacks.  I mean these people were dressed up better to go to a store on a weekend, than I dress up to go to work. 

P.S.  I own a couple of dress shirts, can't recall the last time I ever wore one, much less a suit.

[Tommy Williamsen]

Here is my favorite golf attire.

[Mark Smolens]

The player guarding first base for the Canadian softball team is not wearing a ball cap. Caps should be mandatory. Very offensive.

"guarding?" I've watched a lot of softball in my day, but not familiar with that terminology. . .

Thrilled that softball is back in the Olympics. I didn’t like the term “play” fist base. When I played infield I guarded my base. No one was taking first on my watch without a fight.


I do not recall on any level of baseball a player not wearing a cap.

Agreed on the return of softball to the Olympics, tho not certain they should even be having this particular Olympics in light of Covid and its potential intrusions. Confess to never having seen a player sans hat, tho I have seen a few visors on teams visiting Evanston to take on Coach(es) Drohan and the mighty Wildcats. Equally discomforting I believe.

[Bill Gayne]

The player guarding first base for the Canadian softball team is not wearing a ball cap. Caps should be mandatory. Very offensive.

"guarding?" I've watched a lot of softball in my day, but not familiar with that terminology. . .

Thrilled that softball is back in the Olympics. I didn’t like the term “play” fist base. When I played infield I guarded my base. No one was taking first on my watch without a fight.


I do not recall on any level of baseball a player not wearing a cap.

The great and forever vain Jim Palmer once asked Earl Weaver if he could pitch without a cap. The cap was irritating his forehead on the pitching motion and he was concerned it would cause baldness. Needless to say he was told to keep wearing the cap. Palmer in the AL and Lefty Carlton in the NL were two all time greats at the same time with difficult personalities. Palmer had eight twenty win seasons in nine years.

Times are changing, I know of two top ten private golf course pro-shops that sell tee shirts. Buy our shirts but don't wear them here. I've bought more tee shirts this year in pro-shops than golf shirts.

Many people are just as much comfortable in flip flops as they are in tee shirts and shorts. I had a good laugh when Bob Huntley called flip flops "shower shoes" because my Dad called them the same.

Sorry about the post of random thoughts.

[Jon Sweet]

Obviously not OK.  Now, if we were talking about fashionable stretch denim jeans.......

There’s no such thing as fashionable dress jeans.

[Jon Sweet]

The player guarding first base for the Canadian softball team is not wearing a ball cap. Caps should be mandatory. Very offensive.

"guarding?" I've watched a lot of softball in my day, but not familiar with that terminology. . .

Thrilled that softball is back in the Olympics. I didn’t like the term “play” fist base. When I played infield I guarded my base. No one was taking first on my watch without a fight.


I do not recall on any level of baseball a player not wearing a cap.

The great and forever vain Jim Palmer once asked Earl Weaver if he could pitch without a cap. The cap was irritating his forehead on the pitching motion and he was concerned it would cause baldness. Needless to say he was told to keep wearing the cap. Palmer in the AL and Lefty Carlton in the NL were two all time greats at the same time with difficult personalities. Palmer had eight twenty win seasons in nine years.

Times are changing, I know of two top ten private golf course pro-shops that sell tee shirts. Buy our shirts but don't wear them here. I've bought more tee shirts this year in pro-shops than golf shirts.

Many people are just as much comfortable in flip flops as they are in tee shirts and shorts. I had a good laugh when Bob Huntley called flip flops "shower shoes" because my Dad called them the same.

Sorry about the post of random thoughts.

I’d call them musings.

This made me think of what if you showed up in denim asked to change and Earl Weaver was running the shop. Next level rage. Would have been amazing.

[Ryan Van Culin]

I have zero problem with any dress code anywhere. A club can, in my opinion, ask you to wear whatever they want. The thing that I find really odd is not allowing people to change into that attire.


I'm a member of a private CC (not Top 100, lol) and I sometimes stop at the club on my way home from work to hit some range balls. I show up in my work clothes, go into the locker room, and change into my golf attire. I don't have a white collar job, so unfortunately I must wear actual work clothes. I grew up a farmer, so wearing jeans and a T shirt when I'm running to Lowe's is pretty normal for me. It seems odd to me that some are insinuating that they may be on another level because they don't own jeans or T shirts. To each their own.


What if a club required white belts and iron covers? There would be open revolution, haha.

[Sean_A]

Obviously not OK.  Now, if we were talking about fashionable stretch denim jeans.......

Harsh, but fair. 😎

Ciao

[jeffwarne]

I'm a member of a private CC (not Top 100, lol) and I sometimes stop at the club on my way home from work to hit some range balls. I show up in my work clothes, go into the locker room, and change into my golf attire. I don't have a white collar job, so unfortunately I must wear actual work clothes. I grew up a farmer, so wearing jeans and a T shirt when I'm running to Lowe's is pretty normal for me. It seems odd to me that some are insinuating that they may be on another level because they don't own jeans or T shirts. To each their own.

I agree with this completely.
I thought that's what a locker room was for and think it silly clubs wouldn't allow one to use them to put on club appropriate attire.
As one who rarely wears jeans or a T shirt, it's not because I think i"m on another level, it's because for many years I've had no life besides golf, and simply have a dozens of pairs of mostly out of style khakis and many, many collared shirts.
I do most of my work on my property in old clothes that while technically would pass a golf dress code,they're certainly not stylish and would hardly put me on "another level".
BUT with all of that said, if I were a guest at a club that demanded I arrive in golf clothes,and I had accepted the invite, I would find a way to comply.

[Jon Sweet]

I have zero problem with any dress code anywhere. A club can, in my opinion, ask you to wear whatever they want. The thing that I find really odd is not allowing people to change into that attire.


I'm a member of a private CC (not Top 100, lol) and I sometimes stop at the club on my way home from work to hit some range balls. I show up in my work clothes, go into the locker room, and change into my golf attire. I don't have a white collar job, so unfortunately I must wear actual work clothes. I grew up a farmer, so wearing jeans and a T shirt when I'm running to Lowe's is pretty normal for me. It seems odd to me that some are insinuating that they may be on another level because they don't own jeans or T shirts. To each their own.


What if a club required white belts and iron covers? There would be open revolution, haha.

Ryan,
I just don’t own jeans. Personal preference. Not a referendum on jeans. I own plenty of T-shirts though. Did see a guy I caddied for with iron covers. Asked him if he’d let me take a picture of them for my buddy. We laughed about it. He was big time OCD and needed them in their exact place. We’ve all got our tics.

[Jon Sweet]

I'm a member of a private CC (not Top 100, lol) and I sometimes stop at the club on my way home from work to hit some range balls. I show up in my work clothes, go into the locker room, and change into my golf attire. I don't have a white collar job, so unfortunately I must wear actual work clothes. I grew up a farmer, so wearing jeans and a T shirt when I'm running to Lowe's is pretty normal for me. It seems odd to me that some are insinuating that they may be on another level because they don't own jeans or T shirts. To each their own.

I agree with this completely.
I thought that's what a locker room was for and think it silly clubs wouldn't allow one to use them to put on club appropriate attire.
As one who rarely wears jeans or a T shirt, it's not because I think i"m on another level, it's because for many years I've had no life besides golf, and simply have a dozens of pairs of mostly out of style khakis and many, many collared shirts.
I do most of my work on my property in old clothes that while technically would pass a golf dress code,they're certainly not stylish and would hardly put me on "another level".
BUT with all of that said, if I were a guest at a club that demanded I arrive in golf clothes,and I had accepted the invite, I would find a way to comply.

Looking back I should have framed the question a bit more clearly. This specifically would be showing up in clothes not in line with the dress code of the club as a guest, then using the locker room to change. This would be prior to the round, not after. These specific clothes would be gym shorts and a tshirt.
To be fair to the guy in question… we just love to argue and have played at about as strict of a club you can play at in terms of expectations and pulled it off.

[Mike Schott]

Probably the dumbest post ever seen on this board.

Why? I've played private courses about a dozen times in my life. The general golfer has no idea about the rules at a private club. I understand it's a private club but some of these rules should have been dumped in 1980.

[Kevin_Reilly]

Mike, I have heard that before, and I understand the point of view, but I disagree with it.


I grew up as blue collar as you can get...both of my parents were immigrants and my dad was a bus driver.  So as a "general golfer" as you describe, I was as "general" as it gets.


I had a friend in HS that was a member of a great private club, and even I, with my limited means, knew that I had to dress better there, than I would in my normal escapades sneaking on Golden Gate Park par 3, Lincoln Park, or Harding.


It is just lazy and inconsiderate to expect that a dress code is "outdated" or "shouldn't apply to me". 


As a family we have visited the Alisal Ranch more than a dozen times.  For dinner, a jacket is required.   That requirement is repeated to guests over and over...so no one should be surprised.  But still, some guys show up at the dining room without a jacket, and often wearing denim.  They have a closet of blue blazers for that purpose, but the fact that they even need it is amazing to me.


Anyway, my view is that if you are visiting a private club, dress appropriately.  It isn't a big ask.

[Duncan Cheslett]

As far as I am aware dress codes generally apply on the course and in the clubhouse. I've never seen a club specify a dress code for the parking lot.


I have a blue collar job and regularly turn up at a golf club either as a member or a guest in my dusty work clothes and boots. I change into my golf attire in the locker room because that is what changing rooms are for. If it is a club I have never visited before I poke my nose round the door of the pro shop to ask where the locker rooms are. Invariably I am cheerily directed there without adverse comment.


Even at the poshest clubs I have never once experienced an issue with arriving in work clothes and getting changed in the appropriate place. Perhaps they just assume I've come to fix the plumbing! 

[Kyle Harris]

How did someone bump a thread from 1987 here?

[Jon Sweet]

How did someone bump a thread from 1987 here?

I’m 42, that puts me dead in the middle of the get off my lawn 60 plus and the look at my 53 tattoos and the smart phone surgically attached to my hand 20 somethings. I’m just old enough to not use the phrase “bump” for a thread but understand what it means, I think.
I enjoy the dress code, I take my hat and sunglasses off when the round is over and look my playing partners in the eye and shake their hand.
There’s something to be said for tradition, respecting the course, the members, and those that came before you. I hope there’s room in the game to keep these things because tucking your shirt in, looking your best, being respectful are values that will never hurt you moving forward.
Guess I’m of the mind the things people say need to be removed in order to grow the game are the things I think sets it apart and makes it special.

[Ira Fishman]

Since Covid began, pretty much the only times I have not been in workout clothes is when I play golf. We have a black tie wedding coming up and putting on a tux will be an out of body (no pun intended) experience.


Ira

[John Kavanaugh]

I was surprised to be told I couldn’t wear my soft spike golf shoes in the clubhouse. They would have allowed work boots as an alternative.


Too 100 course in England.


I said “These are soft spikes”. They asked if I was going to golf in them. No golf shoes allowed in clubhouse. It was right there on the sign.

[Lou_Duran]

Here is my favorite golf attire.

Nice grip.

[Lou_Duran]

I was surprised to be told I couldn’t wear my soft spike golf shoes in the clubhouse. They would have allowed work boots as an alternative.


Too 100 course in England.


I said “These are soft spikes”. They asked if I was going to golf in them. No golf shoes allowed in clubhouse. It was right there on the sign.

One of several perplexing things about UK golf.  I typically pack two pairs of Ecco retro street golf shoes and have never been turned away when wearing them into the dining room or bar.

[Duncan Cheslett]

I was surprised to be told I couldn’t wear my soft spike golf shoes in the clubhouse. They would have allowed work boots as an alternative.


Too 100 course in England.


I said “These are soft spikes”. They asked if I was going to golf in them. No golf shoes allowed in clubhouse. It was right there on the sign.

One of several perplexing things about UK golf.  I typically pack two pairs of Ecco retro street golf shoes and have never been turned away when wearing them into the dining room or bar.

I was politely asked at a top level English club to change out of my Eccos in the bar. The only other footwear I had with me was a pair of battered and paint splattered steel toe work boots.


They were accepted with alacrity!

[Jeff Schley]

I was surprised to be told I couldn’t wear my soft spike golf shoes in the clubhouse. They would have allowed work boots as an alternative.


Too 100 course in England.


I said “These are soft spikes”. They asked if I was going to golf in them. No golf shoes allowed in clubhouse. It was right there on the sign.

One of several perplexing things about UK golf.  I typically pack two pairs of Ecco retro street golf shoes and have never been turned away when wearing them into the dining room or bar.

I was politely asked at a top level English club to change out of my Eccos in the bar. The only other footwear I had with me was a pair of battered and paint splattered steel toe work boots.


They were accepted with alacrity!

Funny you mention paint splattered work boots, I played Braid Hills with my dad on and afternoon ahead of Phil Mickelson's 2013 open victory. We called up and they said come on out. They had us go off just ahead of some league which had guys coming from work. I recall one guy who was clearly coming from work with paint splattered boots that he was golfing in along with coveralls with paint on them.




If you have played BH you know hole one is drivable with how fast and unirrigated the course is. We were putting out and the painter drove one that rolled up onto the green and rolled to the side. He came up and said sorry lads I got a hold of one.

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