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Tim Martin

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Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« on: July 18, 2021, 12:47:38 PM »
Granted he was first off and played solo but Kisner closed with 68 showing that it’s possible to play well without growing old out there. #HERO :-*



Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2021, 12:59:21 PM »
I used to be able to play that quickly. I just can't walk and carry that fast anymore. If I have a caddie then I can.

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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2021, 01:18:52 PM »
One and a half hours might have been worth a thread, but two and a half .... really?  ::)

Tim Martin

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2021, 01:22:43 PM »
I used to be able to play that quickly. I just can't walk and carry that fast anymore. If I have a caddie then I can.


I can get around at most courses with tees close to greens between 2:15 and 2:30 if I am solo with no one in front of me pushing a trolley. I don’t feel like I’m rushing and am holing out with the exception of an occasional blow up hole where I make double bogey or worse.




Marty Bonnar

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2021, 02:02:09 PM »
I thought he was really good in Tin Cup.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2021, 02:58:32 PM »
Granted he was first off and played solo but Kisner closed with 68 showing that it’s possible to play well without growing old out there. #HERO :-*

The Squire shot a similar score at The Masters many moons ago in 2 hours by himself out first.

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Jim_Coleman

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2021, 03:31:09 PM »
   Truism: everyone knows who the slow players are, and not one of them thinks he’s slow.

JohnVDB

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2021, 05:51:37 PM »
   Truism: everyone knows who the slow players are, and not one of them thinks he’s slow.


I had a good amateur in Pittsburgh tell me, “I’m not slow I just get paired with slow players.”  I just looked at him and said “Yes you are slow.”

Kalen Braley

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2021, 05:55:38 PM »
Yea, this isn't really interesting.

Its not a question of what these guys can do with zero pressure in last place going into Sunday with no chance to win and just wanting to catch a flight.  Its how slow they play when in contention or at least with hope of a high finish....

Garland Bayley

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2021, 09:07:38 PM »
Yea, this isn't really interesting.

Its not a question of what these guys can do with zero pressure in last place going into Sunday with no chance to win and just wanting to catch a flight.  Its how slow they play when in contention or at least with hope of a high finish....

I can guarantee The Squire was not rushing to catch a flight. ;D
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2021, 10:30:16 PM »
Did Kisner (or his caddy) wear a green jersey? 
At the other end of the spectacle the final game was pretty much a tad more than a hole behind most of the round. Knowing what your closest competitors (Spieth) have done makes things a skosh easier.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2021, 10:36:34 PM »
If there was ever a time to take your time it is in a major championship with 10-15 million purse under enormous pressure. I don’t care much if the pros take an extra minute to get their thoughts right.


It rangers at courses for us amateurs to keep the groups moving. A casual round should be possible in under 4 hours. You don’t have to play good to play fast.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2021, 10:54:47 PM »
In pretty much every other sport, the worlds best are held accountable to clocks, timers, and time limits otherwise in some fashion or another...but somehow the best golfers cannot do same when the pressure it on.  ::) ::)

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2021, 01:47:20 AM »
If there was ever a time to take your time it is in a major championship with 10-15 million purse under enormous pressure. I don’t care much if the pros take an extra minute to get their thoughts right.


The clip of Bryson and his Caddy yesterday was telling.


Yes, it was an amazing conversation where even a number for air density came up, but as Andrew Coltart pointed out, it all took 55 seconds, and that was before he pulled a club out of the bag.

Tim Martin

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2021, 08:00:26 AM »
Slow play is a problem at every level of competitive golf. I recently went to watch some of our State Amateur final at a local club which consisted of thirty six holes of match play starting at 7:30 a.m. I knew I had made a mistake when the first two holes took thirty five minutes to finish whereupon I headed for the exit. The match went the distance and the winner wasn’t reported until after 5:30 p.m. I felt for the committee guys who were out with the match as spotters and rules officials.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2021, 08:21:37 AM »
If there was ever a time to take your time it is in a major championship with 10-15 million purse under enormous pressure. I don’t care much if the pros take an extra minute to get their thoughts right.


It rangers at courses for us amateurs to keep the groups moving. A casual round should be possible in under 4 hours. You don’t have to play good to play fast.
Astonishing.  If every player in every group took an extra minute on 50% of their shots, they'd be playing 6 hour rounds.


A casual round should be possible in under 3 hours.  A competitive round should be possible in well under 4.
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2021, 08:36:48 AM »
If there was ever a time to take your time it is in a major championship with 10-15 million purse under enormous pressure. I don’t care much if the pros take an extra minute to get their thoughts right.


It rangers at courses for us amateurs to keep the groups moving. A casual round should be possible in under 4 hours. You don’t have to play good to play fast.
Astonishing.  If every player in every group took an extra minute on 50% of their shots, they'd be playing 6 hour rounds.


A casual round should be possible in under 3 hours.  A competitive round should be possible in well under 4.


My game usually goes off in the first group of the day. We play in 3:15 to 3:20. We finish at least 2 holes in front of the group behind us. We're all walking. Under 3 hours without carts would be tough.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2021, 08:41:57 AM »
If there was ever a time to take your time it is in a major championship with 10-15 million purse under enormous pressure. I don’t care much if the pros take an extra minute to get their thoughts right.


The clip of Bryson and his Caddy yesterday was telling.


Yes, it was an amazing conversation where even a number for air density came up, but as Andrew Coltart pointed out, it all took 55 seconds, and that was before he pulled a club out of the bag.


and this garbage continues downstream.
I played in a lead group in a recent professional event where our  3 ball took 4:30 with endless, out loud caddie deliberations every-single-shot. 4:30 as a lead group on a benign layout is absurd. Ruins any chance for the rest of the field.
I begged an official to put us on the clock.
He told us to speed up then drove away.
Nothing changed.


Jeff, you might not care if they take an extra minute "to get their thoughts right" but it sucks for the rest of the field.
Where do you draw the line on what constitutes serious golf?
ALL PLAYERS at every level should have a shot clock-ESPECIALLY the best players so the morons who(try to) copy them get the message.
Not everybody is slow, but the fast learn to play slow to adapt-or they just quit competing altogether.


Caddy chat sucks-especially out loud, as if for an audience.
Worst thing that has happened to golf the last 20 years.
And those who enjoy listening to it on TV are part of the problem-creating the demand for it and normalizing it.
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MCirba

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2021, 09:23:13 AM »
Back in 2015 a friend and I went to Scotland and England to play my 1,000th course at Muirfield sandwiched between six others.  All rounds walking, for those keeping score at home.


The longest round of the trip was the morning round at Muirfield at 3 hours in 50-60 mile an hour winds.   We played quicker after lunch as a number of groups had abandoned the day.

On our last night we stayed at the Dormie House at Royal Lytham and hoped to get out at daybreak as they were calling for "some weather" later in the morning.   As we arrived at the tee the starter informed us that a group of five members were going out ahead of us and had preference.   Downcast, we soldiered on.

After about 3-4 holes, we never saw that group again and played in just over 2.5 hours.

I'm a political moderate, but could easily support the death penalty for any rounds over four hours.   It is unconscionable and I'll never understand why people feel comfortable stealing other people's time.   
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2021, 09:47:38 AM »
Well, not sure I'm quite for the death penalty...   ;)

Matt Frey and I have walked a handful of courses in the off-season in less than 2h30m.  And we aren't trying to set any kind of record.  It just happens.

One place a couple of years ago was about 2h35m and the head pro saw us after the round and asked "how did you like the front 9?", and was flabbergasted to learn we were finished!
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2021, 09:48:34 AM »
I played in a seniors open recently. Singles stableford format. Wonderful course, pretty wide and not difficult to find wayward balls, but it took 4 hrs 45 mins in 3-balls! Why? Well the fact that a bunch of guys all over 55 with hcps up to to 28 were required to play a 6,300 yds course might have had something to do with it nor did the fact that in a stableford comp you ought to pick-up when you’ve hit too many shots to score points on a hole and no one we could see seemed to be picking-up. Not the first time I’ve experienced this either.
And another niggle, groups seldom of ever let faster groups through these days.
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John Crowley

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2021, 10:02:12 AM »
One and a half hours might have been worth a thread, but two and a half .... really?  ::)


Right!
2 1/2 as a single is nothing remarkable.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2021, 10:18:24 AM »
I’m not a slow player, although I have gotten slower as I edge toward my late seventies, but when I am playing a new course, to me, I like to look around at the design and drink in the atmosphere. And aren’t there some courses where you don’t want the round to end?
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Paul Jones

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Re: Kevin Kisner Plays Final Round In Two And A Half Hours
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2021, 10:31:56 AM »
The college kids are really slow also, but they are just copying what they see on TV.
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