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Brian Finn

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List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« on: May 10, 2021, 03:10:41 PM »
Late last Friday, on another thread, I shared some quick work I did to combine the most recent top 100 US courses from Golf Magazine, Golf Digest, and GolfWeek.  A handful of comments and questions followed, both within the thread, and even more so via private messages.  A few main questions arose, all of which I will address in this new thread.

First, I determined that it was appropriate to add a fourth source, the top 100 US courses from top100golfcourses.com.  Personally, I reference their lists frequently, and find them helpful when traveling to a new state or country.  Additionally, we received details on their methodology, which, in brief, is a proprietary algorithm based on their own panel of contributors.  So, it will be added as a fourth source in the blended rankings. 

Second, I was asked to point out, or even list “outliers,” which for the sake of this exercise will not take on its true statistical meaning.  I did not perform any complex math in combining these lists.  I simply gave equal weight to each of the four sources from 1 to 100.  So, outliers, in this context, simply refer to things that stick out.  This would include courses on only one list, or excluded from only one list.  They’re really just aberrations that one could pick up by reviewing the list for a few minutes.

I find each list interesting and somewhat useful, and I don’t intend to comment here on the relative quality of one list vs. another.  Of course, there is inherent bias in everything, so some of that may come through, but mostly I am just putting forth a blended ranking and then making a few observations on the data.  Please let me know any questions or comments, especially if you have suggestions on how this might be made more useful. 

So, I will post the data first, then a few observations I made while compiling the list.  After adding the fourth source, there are now 147 courses that appear on at least one of the four lists.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2021, 03:24:42 PM by Brian Finn »
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Brian Finn

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2021, 03:12:26 PM »

Overall   Course   GD Rank   GM Rank   GW Rank   T100 Rank   Count   GD Pts   GM Pts   GW Pts   T100 Pts   Total Pts   
1Pine Valley1112410010010099399
2Cypress Point32314989998100395
3Shinnecock Hills4343497989798390
4Augusta National GC2628499959993386
5NGLA7454494979697384
6Oakmont5575496969496382
7Merion (East)6887495939394375
7Sand Hills10766491949595375
9Pebble Beach810109493919192367
10Fishers Island991211492928990363
11Chicago GC1314915488879286353
12Friar's Head16131312485888889350
13Crystal Downs14161610487858591348
14Pacific Dunes18191113483829088343
15Los Angeles CC (North)19121714482898487342
15Winged Foot (West)12151817489868384342
17Seminole11201521490818680337
18Pinehurst #229112016472908185328
18Prairie Dunes25181419476838782328
20Riviera22172518479847683322
21The Country Club (Brookline)17223823484796378304
22San Francisco GC36212420465807781303
23Ballyneal44341922457678279285
24Kiawah Ocean24314031477706170278
25Oakland Hills (South)21353734480666467277
26Somerset Hills50233124451787077276
27Camargo42263625459756576275
28Whistling Straits (Straits)23492637478527564269
29Muirfield Village GC15513239486506962267
30Shoreacres54242733447777468266
31Bandon Dunes37442830464577371265
32Bethpage (Black)40304627461715574261
33Peachtree30373446471646755257
34Wade Hamption26503049475517152249
35Garden City GC61254426440765775248
36Maidstone64293932437726269240
37Southern Hills32286243469733958239
38The Golf Club43424541458595660233
39Winged Foot (East)41464744460555457226
40Old MacDonald56662138445358063223
41Bandon Trails67384142434636059216
41Olympic Club (Lake)34545545467474656216
43TPC Sawgrass52455636449564565215
44Shadow Creek27812954474207247213
45Old Town Club9241332949606872209
46Old Sandwich58525235443494966207
47Quaker Ridge76394347425625854199
48California GC027502830745173198
49Ohoopee032235330697848195
50Myopia Hunt Club69434951432585250192
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Brian Finn

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2021, 03:13:25 PM »
Overall   Course   GD Rank   GM Rank   GW Rank   T100 Rank   Count   GD Pts   GM Pts   GW Pts   T100 Pts   Total Pts   
51Oak Hill (East)2040946448161737186
52Sebonack3897226646347935181
53Honors28636175473384026177
54Plainfield75574257426445944173
55Rock Creek Cattle Co81486050420534151165
56Gozzer Ranch31708455470311746164
57Essex County Club79646740422373461154
58Valley Club of Montecito78555962423464239150
59Pikewood National336064036841370146
60Inverness65337982436682219145
61Sleepy Hollow6236709243965319144
62Yeamans Hall9947694842543253141
63Pasatiempo9859546343424738130
64Milwaukee CC70717659431302542128
65Congaree3972739446229287126
66Piping Rock056725230452949123
67Eastward Ho!053745630482745120
68Kittansett Club77587873424432328118
68Monterey Peninsula CC (Shore)536765034834360118
70Whispering Pines GC550539034604811105
71Baltusrol (Lower)456988035632130101
72Baltimore CC (East)07568653026333695
73Boston GC84057693170443293
73Calusa Pines749863764273382593
75Kingsley Club07951853022501688
75Victoria National470067254003488
77Sheep Ranch080350202166087
78Estancia720480229053082
79Streamsong Red07786613024154079
80Ridgewood CC07483713027183075
81Spyglass Hill510770250024074
82Kinloch660660235035070
83White Bear YC076058202504368
84Alotian Club3500016600066
85Scioto CC6809278333092365
86Interlachen590080242002163
87Gamble Sands06191913040101060
87Sand Valley09180723010212960
89Butler National49096025205057
90Erin Hills4600015500055
90Oak Tree National570900244011055
92Castle Pines4800015300053
93The Creek062088203901352
94Monterey Peninsula CC (Dunes)808599894211621251
95Moraine065087203601450
96Saint Louis CC078750202326049
97Nanea09406020704148
98Colorado GC008177200202444
98Dallas National710870230014044
100Philadelphia Cricket Wissahickon0058010043043
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Brian Finn

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2021, 03:14:24 PM »
Overall   Course   GD Rank   GM Rank   GW Rank   T100 Rank   Count   GD Pts   GM Pts   GW Pts   T100 Pts   Total Pts   
101Medinah CC #36000014100041
102Baltusrol (Upper)63990023820040
103Streamsong Blue09507020603137
104Lawsonia Links087079201402236
104Yale Golf Course00986820033336
106Mammoth Dunes09671020530035
107Bel-Air CC0680010330033
107Pete Dye GC870820214019033
109Cherry Hills CC731000022810029
109Newport CC084890201712029
111Harbour Town0730010280028
112Old Elm0007410002727
113Whippoorwill0008110002020
114Aronimink94890027120019
114Canyata8200011900019
114Prairie Club (Dunes)0820010190019
117Arcadia Bluffs8300011800018
117Bluejack National 0008310001818
117Hollywood0830010180018
120Skokie0008410001717
121Dismal River (Doak)0085010016016
121The Quarry at La Quinta8500011600016
123Diamond Creek8600011500015
123Glen Falls0860010150015
125Olympia Fields (North)8800011300013
125Wolf Point Ranch0880010130013
127Hudson National8900011200012
128Mountain Ridge0900010110011
128Rich Harvest Farms9000011100011
130Congressional (Blue)9100011000010
131Pinehurst #409200109009
132Kapalua Plantation00930100808
132Palmetto09300108008
132Valhalla GC93000180008
132Wykagyl CC00093100088
136Blackwolf Run (River)95000160006
136CC of Scranton 00095100066
136Wannamoisett00950100606
139Davenport 00096100055
139Double Eagle96000150005
141Galloway National00970100404
141Quail Hollow97000140004
141The Country Club (Pepper Pike)00097100044
144Fox Chapel 00098100033
144Streamsong Black0010099200123
146Spring Hill GC100000110001
146St  George’s CC000100100011
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Brian Finn

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2021, 03:17:45 PM »
Courses appearing on all 4 lists:  65
Courses appearing on 3 lists: 16
Courses appearing on 2 lists: 25

Courses appearing on only 1 list: 41

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Golf Digest:  17 courses
Alotian Club (35)
Erin Hills (46)
Castle Pines (48)
Medinah CC #3 (60)
Canyata (82)
Arcadia Bluffs (83)
The Quarry at La Quinta   (85)
Diamond Creek   (86)
Olympia Fields (North) (88)
Hudson National (89)
Rich Harvest Farms (90)
Congressional (Blue) (91)
Valhalla GC (93)
Blackwolf Run (River) (95)
Double Eagle (96)
Quail Hollow (97)
Spring Hill GC (100)

Golf Magazine:  9 courses
Bel-Air CC (68)
Harbour Town (73)
Prairie Club (Dunes) (82)
Hollywood (83)
Glen Falls (86)
Wolf Point Ranch (88)
Mountain Ridge (90)
Pinehurst #4 (92)
Palmetto (93)

GolfWeek:  5 courses
Philadelphia Cricket Wissahickon (58)
Dismal River (Doak) (85)
Kapalua Plantation (93)
Wannamoisett (95)
Galloway National (97)

Top 100 Golf Courses:  10 courses
Old Elm    (74)
Whippoorwill (81)
Bluejack National (83)
Skokie (84)
Wykagyl CC (93)
CC of Scranton (95)
Davenport (96)
The Country Club (Pepper Pike) (97)
Fox Chapel (98)
St  George’s CC (100)

« Last Edit: May 10, 2021, 03:19:20 PM by Brian Finn »
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Brian Finn

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2021, 03:20:39 PM »
Courses excluded from only 1 list:  16 courses

Excluded from Golf Digest:  10 courses
California GC (35 = average rank from other 3 sources)
Ohoopee (36)
Piping Rock (60)
Eastward Ho! (61)
Baltimore CC (East) (69)
Kingsley Club (72)
Streamsong Red (75)
Ridgewood CC (76)
Gamble Sands (81)
Sand Valley (81)

Excluded from Golf Magazine:  3 courses
Whispering Pines GC (66 = average rank from other 3 sources)
Boston GC (70)
Scioto CC (79)

Excluded from GolfWeek:  0 courses

Excluded from Top 100 GC:  3 courses
Pikewood National (52 = average rank from other 3 sources)
Monterey Peninsula CC (Shore) (62)
Baltusrol (Lower) (67)

New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Brian Finn

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2021, 03:23:12 PM »
Courses on all 4 lists dropped substantially by 1 particular source:

Old Town Club – 92nd on GD list, average of 34th on other 3 lists
Shadow Creek – 81st on GM list, average of 37th on other 3 lists
Oak Hill (East) – 94th on GW list, average of 41st on other 3 lists
Sebonack – 97th on GM list, average of 42nd on other 3 lists
Yeamans Hall – 99th on GD list, average of 55th on other 3 lists
Sleepy Hollow – 92nd on T100GC list, average of 56th on other 3 lists
Pasatiempo – 98th on GD list, average of 59th on other 3 lists

I will stop here for now.  Interested to hear any thoughts.  Thanks.
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2021, 03:32:21 PM »
There a few outliers in each magazine, but overall there is a lot of agreement in the top 50. GM might be an outlier all its own because it rates classic and modern in different lists.
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Brian Finn

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2021, 03:37:00 PM »
There a few outliers in each magazine, but overall there is a lot of agreement in the top 50. GM might be an outlier all its own because it rates classic and modern in different lists.
You must be referring to GolfWeek, who publish the modern and classic lists separately.  While that is the case, the rating methodology is exactly the same, so you can combine their lists and rank them by their numerical rating (0.00 - 10.00 scale), which is what I did to arrive at the GolfWeek top 100 courses in the US.  So, that really doesn't cause any outliers, per se.
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2021, 03:58:25 PM »
There a few outliers in each magazine, but overall there is a lot of agreement in the top 50. GM might be an outlier all its own because it rates classic and modern in different lists.
You must be referring to GolfWeek, who publish the modern and classic lists separately.  While that is the case, the rating methodology is exactly the same, so you can combine their lists and rank them by their numerical rating (0.00 - 10.00 scale), which is what I did to arrive at the GolfWeek top 100 courses in the US.  So, that really doesn't cause any outliers, per se.


I did mean GOLF WEEK. Sorry. You put a lot of work into this.
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Mark_Fine

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2021, 04:50:24 PM »
Great summary Brian!  Like your other list, I plan to spend some time with it when I get the chance.  Busy days right now.  Thanks again for pulling all this together.  Probably part my fault for causing you all this work but it should open some eyes.  Well done.

Paul Rudovsky

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2021, 05:38:31 PM »
Brian--


really superb piece of work.  must say the more I look at the GD list the worse it looks!




Lou_Duran

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2021, 05:41:58 PM »
Brian,


In compiling the lists, did anything specifically jump out that might account for the differences?

Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2021, 06:12:08 PM »
Wow, this is awesome

Kalen Braley

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2021, 06:21:56 PM »
Brian,

Excellent work indeed!  As one who considers myself neutral to the ratings, that looks like a helluva nice list of top 50 in the aggregate.  It'll be interesting to see what criticisms come of that list.  Do you have all this in a xls that you can email me?  My address is under my name  <------------

Joel_Stewart

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2021, 07:00:43 PM »
Brian,

In compiling the lists, did anything specifically jump out that might account for the differences?


Brian, first great work.


Lou, it has to be the criteria for Golf Digest.  As a former panelist, I spent 20 years trying to figure out why Pasatiempo is not in the top 100. Since I live in the Bay Area, I accompanied some panelists there over the years and came away with the following thoughts.  Its either an unconscious bias, lack of understanding of architecture or prejudice. 


Specifically, Pasatiempo is a hard course.  For those playing it for the first time and maybe the only time, you're probably not going to score very well unless you're a low handicap player.


Pasa is a hard walk. For those who are over a certain age or out of shape, it can be exhausting.


[size=78%]It's not private. [/size]


It's not designed by Fazio. Yes some may have a bias towards Mackenzie but they are out numbered by those who prefer modern architecture.


Out of state panelists have many choices in Northern California.  If you only have a few days or a week to play, it probably is on the bottom of the list.


Some minor things:


It's in a housing community.
They don't have caddies.
6 & 7 are not very good holes.








Steve Lapper

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2021, 07:25:30 PM »
Brian--


really superb piece of work.  must say the more I look at the GD list the worse it looks!


Ditto on the list..... Paul, what took you so long?
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Ira Fishman

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2021, 07:38:22 PM »
Brian,


Wonderful work. I hope that those who run the ratings programs spend some time studying.


But now you need to compile the World top 100 lists and include the 147+1 Custodians!


Ira

Tim Martin

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2021, 07:54:13 PM »
Brian-Thanks for putting this together!!!!

Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2021, 08:01:44 PM »
Brian,
Wonderful work. I hope that those who run the ratings programs spend some time studying.
But now you need to compile the World top 100 lists and include the 147+1 Custodians!
Ira
And in gca's version of 'art imitating life imitating art', Brian's list will be influencing all the other ranking panels for years to come!!

V_Halyard

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2021, 10:07:51 PM »
Late last Friday, on another thread, I shared some quick work I did to combine the most recent top 100 US courses from Golf Magazine, Golf Digest, and GolfWeek.  A handful of comments and questions followed, both within the thread, and even more so via private messages.  A few main questions arose, all of which I will address in this new thread.
Ponder provoking. Thanks Brian.
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Jeff Schley

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2021, 01:06:22 AM »
First I don't know how the heck you got the formatting correct right out of the box! I struggle with that every time I post some list or something. So kudos on that alone! ;D

Some impressions:
  • As GD certainly has the most variance from the other three, if we removed GD and just had the other three, what would the results be? You could compare GD to the consensus of the other 3 lists and I think big disparities would be noticed. Ohoopee, Cal GC etc. would rocket higher on the other 3, and the 17 that are only mentioned on GD would become even more polarizing.
  • There is consensus on the top 20. For the overall list there are only 2 perhaps outliers, Muirfield Village got 1 top 20 rating (#15 GD) and is #39 overall, Oak Hill got 1 top 20 rating (#20 GD) and is ranked #51 overall. So all other courses who made the top 20 in at least 1 list the lowest outside of the above 2 was Ballyneal at #23. So there is consensus on the top 20 for the most part.
  • Alotian, Erin Hills, Castle Pines have a very high score in GD.  Alotian has been there for a long time at the top half and CP is private, but why would Erin Hills be so high at GD as it is a public course not close to any major city really. That is a mystery to me.  Anyone have any idea of why Erin Hills does so well on GD as a public in Wisconsin, but absent from others?
  • Chicago golf courses have fallen quite a bit with this view outside of Chicago and Shoreacres. After that there is no consensus at all. Butler is on 2 lists, but the remaining are only on 1 list: Olympia Fields, Old Elm, Rich Harvest, Skokie, Medinah. Medinah at one point in time I believe was #10 for GD!
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2021, 03:07:21 AM »
Brian


Thanks for the work on this. It seems the Top50 courses is pretty consistent across the mags.


What happened to the Alotian & Nanea of GW's list - I thought they were previously considered in the Top20 modern courses? 

jeffwarne

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2021, 07:14:22 AM »
Brian--


really superb piece of work.  must say the more I look at the GD list the worse it looks!


Great work Brian.
Golf Digest was once the gold standard as a magazine and a ratings panel-but not for many years.
Brian's work shines a bright light on the lack of sophistication in the GD ratings.
I must say the lists of what's NOT on each publication's list is most revealing.
Based on that I'd say GOLF and Top 100 both show the most sophisticated ratings. (and yes, I'm partial to classic gems as well as GOLF magazine and Top 100)
Previously, I would have said Golfweek was the most comprehensive but Top 100 and GOLF have made great strides and now vie for supremacy.
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Mark_Fine

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Re: List of Lists: Blended Top 100 US Courses
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2021, 07:30:42 AM »
My quick takeaways - Which list is best is as subjective as which course is best as they all are subject to different criteria, there will always be a few head scratchers on any list and these are no different, the exact order will never be right (because there is no right), as you get further from the top there is always more variation (just like on any kind of list), some will say Medinah is a better championship test than Sand Hills (so it depends on your perspective and your definition of greatness), some will argue how can you possibly compare a design like Myopia Hunt Club to a Winged Foot West or Oakmont or The Ocean Course at Kiawah or Nanea, ..., but if these lists do anything, they ALL clearly include a lot of great golf courses ALL of which are worth at least one go around and some worth many many more if you happen to be that lucky.  Those here who have played most of them will know what I am talking about.

Again great work Brian!  Thank you 😊

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