[Jeff Schley]

I love this hole and think this has kept up with technology advancements with it's most recent lengthening. I have no idea how this plays for the membership, but this week only Champ, Bryson and maybe a couple others can carry the fairway bunker. Then you have a great green with run offs and movement that makes up and downs very challenging. The only thing I don't like is adding more trees to the left of the fairway bunkers, not needed and just adds more penalty to an already difficult approach from short left of the bunkers.

[Ben Hollerbach]

I think the 5th may be one of the most undervalued holes in golf. At 495 it's only 15 yards shorter than the 13th, yet one is a par 4 and one is a par 5. Since they lengthened the 5th, I've been please to see the scoring dispersion on the hole has looked very similar to the 13th.

Year	Hole	3	4	5	6	7+
2019	5	13	182	103	6	0
2019	13	17	158	102	23	4
2020	5	10	113	35	1	1
2020	13	5	75	62	15	4
2021	5	5	99	63	7	5
2021	13	6	82	66	17	10

the 13th is universally applauded for its scoring variance and potential for any score at any time, The 5th is capable of the same variance, but it's rarely ever spoken about. Is it because it's too early in the round or void of any water and azaleas?

[Mark Kiely]

I think it's that eagles are sexier than birdies. Eliminate par and then you'd get your wish.

[Scott Warren]

The 5th at ANGC hasn’t “kept up with technology advancements”, it has been lengthened by 60 yards over the past 18 years.


Those are two very different things.

[Jeff Schley]

The 5th at ANGC hasn’t “kept up with technology advancements”, it has been lengthened by 60 yards over the past 18 years.


Those are two very different things.

Scott that was my point is that is HAS been lengthened and in doing so has countered the gains in technology.
"I love this hole and think this has kept up with technology advancements with it's most recent lengthening."

[Kyle Harris]

How can something that was only recently been lengthened (at the cost of moving a public road) be "keeping" up with technology?

I could probably keep up with a world-class marathon runner if I started within 400m of the finish line, too.

[Scott Warren]

Jeff,


If money weren’t an object at every other club the way it isn’t for ANGC, everyone could “keep up with technology”.


I understand the point you’re seeking to make, but I don’t think there’s anything to celebrate in the avoidable millions that have been spent to make the 5th at ANGC more difficult to make par on.

[Thomas Dai]

Some photos from Sven's wonderful thread - https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,61416.0.html
Note the reference in MacKenzie's description to the 17th at TOC.
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Below - for 5th see otherwise numbered 14th and note MacKenzie's words about the 17th at TOC.

[Jeff Schley]

Although there is a cost to the changes, it provides the sternest of tests for the best players. Through 3 rounds it is the #1 toughest hole at 4.45, yielding only 5 birdies and 11 "others". It was always a test and going back to 1952 it was the #2 toughest hole at 440 yards. So moving the tee box back has kept it relevant as one of the toughest holes on the course along with #11. Of course moving the bunkers was costly as well.

[jeffwarne]

Agree with the premise of the thread.


and Scott is right that it was totally avoidable.


Letting the hole devolve into a drive and pitch wouldn't solve the issue of the USGA/R&A's inaction while Rome burned.

[Jeff Schley]

BTW Jack holed out TWICE on #5 in 1995! Talk about picking up strokes on the field.

		Two Eagles, One Hole (Par 4), One Tournament
Jack Nicklaus	1995, first round, No. 5, first and third round

[archie_struthers]

 




Talked about this hole on another thread. Given the severity of the green/surrounds perhaps the second shot it too long? Yesterday they had lots of guys hitting long irons and some even "furniture" (Rose) .  Doesn't t just give the bombers too much of an edge ?

[jeffwarne]

Talked about this hole on another thread. Given the severity of the green/surrounds perhaps the second shot it too long? Yesterday they had lots of guys hitting long irons and some even "furniture" (Rose) .  Doesn't t just give the bombers too much of an edge ?

Need the odd hole that requires furniture-especially to such a difficult green.
Quite a few par 4's there require the same thing-a downhill lie to an uphill green.
This one presents some second shot ground game for many.

[Carl Rogers]

I wonder if some players will play their tee shots short of the bunkers and then a 240 yard approach shot.

[jeffwarne]

I wonder if some players will play their tee shots short of the bunkers and then a 240 yard approach shot.

Zalatoris hit 3 woods off tee, the older players do it by accident, but t's not 240 left if they get up near the bunker.
It's 280 uphill from tee to first bunker.

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