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Del Paso CC-Fowler? Soon to be redone?
SPDB:
And I have no reason for not owning Geoff's book. I've definitely looked at it numerous times, have just never gotten around to buying it. I'll trade you The Good Doctor Returns :-X for your copy.
Yancey_Beamer:
Mindy,
Fowler was the partner of Tom Simpson.Simpson concentrated on Europe.Fowler concentrated on Great Britain and the United States.Most of his time here was spent in California.Fowler and Pebble Beach professional Harold Sampson became friends and when Sampson went to Burlingame both remodeled that course.
Fowler returned to England in the early 1920's.
He died on April 14,1941.
Patrick_Mucci:
Mdugger,
I find the term sensitive restoration as redundant.
It's either a restoration or it isn't.
Restore: to bring back to or put back to a former or original
state.
Renovate: to restore to a former better state.
Sensitive: Mdugger ;D
I don't know the extent of what Tom Doak says he did or didn't do, hence I'm not prepared to accept your view on the nature, scope and evaluation of his work.
In addition, even if I accept every word attributed to him, I would be remiss if I did not evaluate his work in the context of personal examination, and since I haven't seen it, I'm unqualified to comment.
Everybody has their own perspective of what they did or didn't do. That doesn't mean their opinion is absolute.
That's what we have judges and juries for.
Perhaps my prior experiences have taught me to follow a fairly thorough discovery process prior to rendering an opinion.
SPDB,
You might be surprised by the FACTS I possess relative to Del Paso and the pending project. Don't be so quick to disqualify me, or pack me off to Dr. Katz. Remember, you don't know what I think or know, only what I post ;D
Tommy Naccarato,
Since Sean doesn't have the reference at his immediate disposal, why don't you post it for us,
Thanks
A_Clay_Man:
Joel- I didn't remember much till I put it together with the pictures of Eastward Ho. I have no idea what is left of Fowler at Crystal Springs but I feel the shot that sweeps down that hill (2nd or 3rd ?) best exemplifies what was memorable about that course. If it wasn't Fowler, it doesn't matter to me, but I still suspect as much. Pete?
Forrest Richardson:
George says: "I do hope things go well at Del Paso, but I have to admit, pretty much anyone saying they intend to duplicate "the spirit" of someone else's work scares the heck out of me."
Yet, George also says the Fownes, creators of one of America's most teasured courses, apparently desired to duplicate the spirit of links courses being built across the sea. Thankfully George was not around in 1902-3...but certainly it is great having him around now.
I will also not dig deep into his hundreds of posts in which he applauds certain designers, designs and ideals...for doing so would only serve to point out that he truly does embrace the concept of the duplication of "the spirit" of someone else's work."
And, why not? I see this as a positive when appropriate.
Adam — I agree completely that it would be a blast to find and uncover Fowler's work. Am I missing something? Does any of the information we have suggest this is not the case at Del Paso?
Knowing Kyle I beleive his energy to accomplish such may far outlast even the most serious "Atlas-er" — and imagine this: Kyle also has the credentials and background in golf architecture, including a well-versed historical perspective.
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