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Del Paso CC-Fowler? Soon to be redone?
Mindy:
Ok, now for all of you historians or history buffs out there, I am searching for any information that I can get on Herbert Fowler, specifically what brought him to California, besides Del Paso or LA CC. and how long did he stay and when did he return to England? or I will take anything I can get me hands on abot Fowler. Thanks for the help, Mindy
Tommy_Naccarato:
Mindy,
-What type of historical information is Kyle Phillips working off of?
-Is he working off of old photos?
-What type of historical documentation does the club have? --Is he making changes in strategy to the original design or is he just saying he is going to remodel the holes to look like a older classic course?
-What is the actual feelings of the green committee regarding the course? Do they want it exactly like it was? Do they want holes changed. Are there opposing factions of green committee members and the actual members of the club?
T_MacWood:
Del Paso is a Fowler golf course--he referred to it as Sacramento.
Mindy:
Kyle Phillips did not begin working off of the original maps and some old photos that we have at Del Paso, he was simply given cart blanche and he took of and came up with an entirely new course design saying that he was doing just as you asked trying to make it look like older classic courses. I thought that is what we have, how much more classic can one get. The green committee has not been asked their opinion yet, that meeting is on Tuesday. However, there is as you suggest a very deep division on the issue, both on the Green Committee and in the membership. Our historical documentation is very extensive and the more I look into the history the more I am convinced that we do not need a "Championship Style" course per Phillips. We need to restore our course per Herbert Fowler.
Joel_Stewart:
--- Quote from: Mindy on November 13, 2003, 10:40:23 AM ---We need to restore our course per Herbert Fowler.
--- End quote ---
This is great thinking and I'm sure most on this site would agree with you. You get very few chances to restore a course with someone like Fowlers name attached and your course would get far more attention being a restored Fowler than a Kyle Phillips course.
With that said, I have talked with Kyle a number of times (not about Del Paso) and am trying to think of his rational for blowing up the course with a new routing? Does the course not have enough land? You gave him carte blanche with the requirement that it look like an older course. Is that all that the club asked?
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