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Del Paso CC-Fowler? Soon to be redone?

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SPDB:
Tommy -
The problem you fail to (ever) see, is that it is their mistake to make, and the verbal abuse and petty (and, now, as far as it concerns me, personal) sniping isn't going to help disabuse them of their potential error.

Private golf clubs and the courses they own, whether you care to realize it or not, do not exist for your benefit. Maybe Del Paso is making a mistake they don't realize and need to be educated. But do you think for a minute that browbeating is going to make them see the error of their ways. If anything, you just probably cemented this particular green committeman from ever relying on GCA as a useful, friendly  resource. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
 
I don't know why constantly feel the need to personalize the whole process. You are an intelligent person who has probably forgotten more about golf architecture than I'll ever know. But instead of using it in a positive way to educate others, you stand on it like a soapbox and insult others. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I'll tell Tosh you send your love.

Tommy_Naccarato:
Sean, I just went and accidently erased a Paulian-length diatribe and I'm not going to re-type it. Re-read allof the posts all of the way thourgh, clearly.

If you think that Ciiff will be a positive particpant on GCA, forget it. I will guarantee you that his comments will likely go no further then this thread. He has too many other things to get done like assessing the members for parking lots, kitchen equipment and Kyle P's work. He's played all of Kyle's courses in the Sacramento area, and he can't wait for it to look exactly like Granite Bay and others. It won't look like Fowler's. He doesn't care about Fowler other then to use it as a tool for Kyle P. to ge the work.

I know the type. He's trying to stifle Mindy's quests for information to further his cause. Let him invite you when he is done, and you guys can enjoy his RTJII-like course together. It won't be Fowler's underneath it all anymore.

Mindy:
Hello all, I appreciate all of your comments. I am still looking for information regarding the life and times of "Bill" Herbert Fowler and thank you for pointing me in the direction of the other courses.

Cliff, perhaps you and I should have a private conversation?

Mindy

Tommy_Naccarato:
Go get'em Mindy!

ForkaB:
Mindy

If you haven't already, you might try contacting Russell Talley, an archie who knows Walton Heath pretty well, and has possibly seen more of Fowler's designs in person that any of the other "experts" on this thread have even read about or seen pictures of.  His e-mail is rtalley@egd.com.  Apologies in advance, Russell, for using your name.

Also, your own advice of have a private tete-a-tete with Ciff is a great one.  As a completely outside observer, I think that you both have the interests of the club at heart, just different ideas as to how those interests might be best served.

As for all the bashing of Kyle Phillips, we should not forget that he is the creator of Kingsbarns, which is one of the finest new courses of the past 20 years, at least equal in design quality to places such as Pacific Dunes, for example, IMHO.  I would guess that if he is given the proper overall guidance he will do a fine job for your club.

Good luck, and sorry for MY intrusion.  Hope it helps.

Rich

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