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Del Paso CC-Fowler? Soon to be redone?
Patrick_Mucci:
Forrest Richardson,
I never said that TOC was originally 22 holes.
I don't know how you leaped to that conclusion.
I said that it had many configurations and that one of them was 22 holes.
When a membership has enjoyed a golf course, a slowly evolving golf course, for 80 + years, I don't know how you justify a RADICal alteration as being true to the spirit of Fowler's work.
"Restore what ? To when ? To what level are valid questions.
I don't know, with any club, if there is an absolute answer, but, there may be a prudent answer.
The club could attempt to determine the answers to your questions through extensive research, and a decision borne of practical applications with respect to the information revealed through that process.
It is a grey area, but that doesn't mean that clarity is impossible. I agree 100 % with Merion's decision to return the course to the historical date associated with Jones's win.
I've proposed that GCGC do the same with 1936, the year the USGA held the Amateur there, and a year with abundant photographic records.
When is the last time you saw a golden age golf course lose 14 of its holes, while at the same time paying homage to the original architects style. Wouldn't the ultimate homage be a restoration to the course on the day the architect unveiled it?
I like filet too ;D
Forrest Richardson:
I am a distant bystander. But from what I know there are not 14 of Fowler's holes there that are being lost. As I said very early on, this seems a bunch of second guessing. I'd leave it to the experts who've researched and been on site. I.E., the professionals.
And, you're right: Grey areas abound!
Paul_Daley:
Fascinating thread, lots of combustion fodder - gotta love GCA. The real issue for me is the continuing nonsense of golf architectural cliches. There are some phrases/catchcry's that should be discarded at once:
"I like to work with the land"
"The course will be playable by all"
"It will be a fair test of golf"
"IN THE SPIRIT OF ..."
The last one really makes me pewk!
The only time it seems to work is in "The Spirit of St Andrews" but that was different, and not quite worded IN THE SPIRIT OF.
A_Clay_Man:
Forrest- Maybe you were too young when you left Burbank, but I found,(sadly, first hand) that the word 'professional' in California, is a four letter word.
Recently, I've seen and heard little defference (actual disdain) towards GC archies. Why is that?
T_MacWood:
"Restore what? To when? To what level?"
Forrest
All good questions. When given a project that involves an older course...how much time and effort do you spend researching the architectural history of that golf course and its original architect (or architects)?
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