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Doug Siebert

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2003, 10:08:03 PM »
Gotta tell one of my favorite stories from Scotland...  At Prestwick apparently there was once this lady who sliced it off the first tee and hit a train that was waiting at the station and it bounced back over the wall and in bounds.  As she walks down the wall over to her ball the engineer leans out the window and says "if its any help ma'am, I'm here at this time every day!"
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Norbert P

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2003, 10:35:43 PM »
 Machrihanish used to have a line running from Campbelltown.  It fell from favour as the horseless carriage and roads became commonplace.  Probably why most passenger lines have succumbed.   It's a shame, really.

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Larry_Keltto

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2003, 10:56:12 PM »
Tenby in Wales has a railroad that separates holes 15-17 from the rest of the course.

Castlerock in Northern Ireland near Portrush has a string of holes on the front nine that follow the railroad tracks.

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2003, 05:38:41 AM »
Bob, You are right about Beaconsfield.  The railway line to Marylebone cuts right through the course.  The clubhouse is adjacent to a station, Seer Green and Jordans (not Beaconsfield).  I lodged with friends in Beaconsfield recently, commuting to London daily, and even in late October/early November the course looked every bit as gorgeous as Paul Turner's lovely pictures posted here some time ago.  The station at Sunningdale is very close to the courses and the railway also runs alongside the 9th at Wentworth West.  I can think of dozens of British courses alongside railway lines and if I travel to London from my home I always hope the train will be diverted via Northampton as that line runs through the middle of Northamptonshire County, a very attractive parkland course which, sadly, I haven't played for many years.  I mentioned Denham in an earlier post - it's also possible there to slice the ball onto an airfield.  One of the nicest railway lines beside a golf course is the preserved line running out of Sheringham.  Old steam engines chuff past from time to time adding to the period feel of the golf course.  It was at Sheringham, I believe, that someone asked Joyce Wethered if she'd been put off by the noise of a train as she putted.  'What train?' was the reply.

Paul Richards

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2003, 06:55:20 AM »
My home course, Beverly CC, has as its western border, the B & O railroad tracks.

That being said, the eastern border is Western Avenue.

Confusing, eh?
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ForkaB

Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2003, 07:06:05 AM »
Lundin/Leven in Scotland had a railway running on the northern border of the course (now "in course" out of bounds for a number of holes at Lundy).

Dornoch was served by a railway spur from Golspie up until the mid-50's.  What is now the Dornoch Hotel was very posh in the old days--all the London glitterati and Lords and Ladies would gather there for fancy balls, up until the 50's.  The old railway line can be seen as the OB line to the left of the 8th fairway, and winding up from there to Skelbo Castle, Loch Fleet and then Golspie.

woof

Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2003, 08:29:25 AM »
For jmandel:  Yes, both courses at Philadelphia Cricket in Flourtown are bisected by railroad lines, but the railroad lines are not the reason the courses are located where they are.  Both lines are freight lines.  The line through the Wissihickon course has been abandoned, but the line through Militia Hill is the Trenton cutoff and is still active.  A round at Milita Hill is not complete without seeing at least one train.

The St. Martins clubhouse and course is another story.  When the Pennsylvania Railroad built the branch from Center City to Chestnut Hill, it was only natural to locate attractions adjacent to stops.  So within walking distance of the St. Martins stop we have the main clubhouse and original course of PCC, and the former Wissihickon Inn (now Chestnut Hill Academy) across Willow Grove Avenue.

Jason Mandel

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2003, 11:44:49 AM »
woof,

thanks for the info. that probably makes more sense, considering where the st. martins course is, i know that train line, and of course it goes right into the city.

even though the train tracks that cut through old cricket, wissy, are freight lines and not even active, i love the character it adds to the course.
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Bob_Huntley

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2003, 11:53:15 AM »
hp@hc,

I am afraid that St. Andrews has not had railroad access for well over forty years. The nearest station is Leuchars a few miles away. Muirfield has never had a rail service as such.

Michael Whitaker

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2003, 11:57:15 AM »
I'm surprised no one has mentioned North Berwick. An online history of the town reports, "the railways are really credited with putting North Berwick on the map. The rich and famous had summer houses at the west end of the town and had their carriages unhitched at Drem and pulled into 'The Biarritz of the North'. Entire families, pets and servants would arrive for the summer months."

I'm planning a trip to the area next summer and we are going to take the train (20 minutes) from Edinburgh to NB for golf. Very "Old School."  :)
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2021, 12:31:23 AM »
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I am at this very moment on a bus to Manchester Piccadilly station en route to North Berwick. I’m meeting up with Mike Whittaker and Jerry Kluger this afternoon at Gullane #2.   Archerfield, NBWL, and Dunbar await over the next couple of days with a variety of different friends.

I find travelling by train far preferable to driving and we are blessed in the U.K. that so  many classic links courses are easily accessible by rail. A half set in a pencil bag, a hold-all with a few changes of clothes, and you’re in business!

Train travel also makes long distance day trips far more manageable. St Andrews is a 6 hour drive one way for me - on the train I can get up there, play the Old Course, and be home again by midnight.

My membership at Silloth only really makes sense for me if I take the train to Carlisle and the bus to the course. It takes the same amount of time as driving but is far more relaxing and I can have a few post-round pints! I even take the train to Buxton to play Cavendish on occasion, and that’s only fifteen miles away.

My return ticket this weekend to North Berwick is £65 - around two thirds the cost of the fuel I would use in the car - and I don’t have to drive!

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Jeff Schley

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2021, 01:52:16 AM »
Nostalgia.  Me and dad took the train from Edinburgh up to Carnoustie one day and maybe a 400 yard walk to the clubhouse from there. Also I don't know if there is a train still, but The Sacred Nine I know has been referred to as Mildenhall for that was the stop nearby.

Although I didn't take the train myself, playing partners at Formby and Royal Birkdale did. One way to get warmed up for a round to walk from the station slugging your weapons on your back.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2021, 04:17:05 AM »
Be careful in the UK with the line you take and the day of the week.
Romantic thoughts of emulating Darwin journeying to Aberdyfi to play the course his soul loved the best are one thing but when you decide to travel on a single line route on a weekend maintenance day it's a good idea to do some research otherwise the train might well stop at some station in the wilds of wonderful Mid-Wales when you'll be ushered onto a rickety uncomfortable bus to complete our journey and complete it very slowly.
But that's not to say things can't work fine though.
Just do some prior journey research and cross your fingers that no surprise track/train incidents occur.
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Sean_A

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2021, 04:42:41 AM »
Nostalgia.  Me and dad took the train from Edinburgh up to Carnoustie one day and maybe a 400 yard walk to the clubhouse from there. Also I don't know if there is a train still, but The Sacred Nine I know has been referred to as Mildenhall for that was the stop nearby.

Although I didn't take the train myself, playing partners at Formby and Royal Birkdale did. One way to get warmed up for a round to walk from the station slugging your weapons on your back.

Well, the walk from the station to Formby can practically be crawled!

The Welsh Wizard is right. Trains in the UK have a way of letting down its passengers, especially on Sundays. If on a tight schedule, trains can be precarious. That said, if all goes well, especially if there are folks with cars pushing you around between train journeys, it's a great way to travel. That said, it's only economical if you travel alone. Even then, I can't get a train to North Berwick for less than it costs to drive...not even close.

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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2021, 05:21:54 AM »
I checked the return ticket price to North Berwick a few days ago and it was over £100. On a whim I looked again in the early hours of this morning and it had been slashed to £65!


I quickly booked it, unloaded my clubs out of the car, and dug out my pencil bag!


I’m now speeding past Musselburgh on the final stretch of a completely stress free journey. Even better, Whitty has just called to say he’ll pick me up at the station to save me getting the bus! 👍
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2021, 05:34:13 AM »
Are you not coming over to Dumbarnie with them tomorrow?
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2021, 05:38:27 AM »
Are you not coming over to Dumbarnie with them tomorrow?


‘Fraid not.


I’m participating in an England vs Scotland match at Archerfield - playing for Scotland!


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Sean_A

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2021, 05:40:44 AM »
I checked the return ticket price to North Berwick a few days ago and it was over £100. On a whim I looked again in the early hours of this morning and it had been slashed to £65!


I quickly booked it, unloaded my clubs out of the car, and dug out my pencil bag!


I’m now speeding past Musselburgh on the final stretch of a completely stress free journey. Even better, Whitty has just called to say he’ll pick me up at the station to save me getting the bus!

Out of interest I just checked the train ticket price next week to NB... £165!

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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2021, 05:49:14 AM »
Are you not coming over to Dumbarnie with them tomorrow?


‘Fraid not.


I’m participating in an England vs Scotland match at Archerfield - playing for Scotland!


Och aye the noo! 🤣


Yes, ehm, probably best if you don't try the Stanley Baxter accent!
I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on Archerfield.
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Steve Kline

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2021, 07:06:27 AM »
Hyde Park in Cincy is right next to a no longer existing railroad track. I’m pretty sure there was a stop near the club. Even if there was one at Hyde Park Square it would have been only a 25-30 walk to the club.

Tom_Doak

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Re:Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2021, 09:24:05 AM »

I'll bet those turn of the century archies had as much time in train depots travelling here and there to build courses as our modern day archies have in airports.  It may be 16 hours or what ever for Tom Doak to go to NZ, but it was probably  many more hours for Dr. MacKenzie to go back and forth to Crystal Downs, or ANGC.  Although the comfort of a sleeper berth was obviously better than even 1rst class airline seats.  Trains and boats must have become as tedious for that lot as airports are for our modern men.


I must have missed this post years ago on one of my six (6) trips to Australia and New Zealand that year . . . I hope Dick is doing well.


It actually takes me about 26 hours from Traverse City to Auckland, and I do it 7-8 times for each new course I build down there.  Dr. MacKenzie did not go "back and forth" to Crystal Downs . . . he stopped here once on his way to England, and once on his way back from there to California.  But with trains being so much slower, he was not expected to make a bunch of intermediate trips.  He just left more of the work to his associate, Perry Maxwell.


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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2021, 07:05:04 AM »
No one should ever apologize for resurrecting an old thread. It represents the connection between the elder states of the treehouse, and the ones who've come along since. When I arrived, around 2K8, the site had 10 years of chatter, and I have still not finished those old threads (nor started some.)


RJ Daley, back nearly 20 years, touches on something unique. I believe (and the glorious and free ones can help me with this) that Stanley Thompson was hired by Canadian Pacific Railroad to design a number of courses at stops along the entire country. The CPR was afraid that folks would abandon the trestle for the highway, so they wanted to have a bonus (a Thompson golf course) near many stops.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2021, 10:50:55 AM »
As a golfer and train buff, maybe I should, when I have the time, do a ranking of paired classic golf courses and classic railroads!


I mean, taking Metra to Olympia Fields just doesn't resonate with me like riding the Illinois Central (and maybe even the famed "City of New Orleans" to Olympia Fields.....


My best personal train/golf day was riding the SF cable cars to the base of the hill and then walk up to Olympic. 


Internationally, I did take trains between golfing destinations in GBI, and at an ASGCA meeting was paired with Bob Cupp and Denis Griffiths at Royal Lytham, and when we all stopped to watch a train go by on the first hole, found out we had the first meeting of what was probably a very exclusive club of gca/model railroader combos. 



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MCirba

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2021, 12:41:14 PM »
Cobb's Creek.
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Brian Marion

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Re: Classic Courses and Railroads
« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2021, 02:25:43 PM »
Lots of lesser known towns with classic courses had golf brought in via railroads.


Aiken, SC


Someone mentioned Pinehurst

Lexington CC - had a stop on the 3rd or 4th hole I've been told.

I'd think Cherokee in Knoxville also. The line runs parallel the length of the course.

My home course was practically built by the local railroads and their managers.


Early clubs were not only destinations but also a getaway from town and the grime thereof. How better to escape to the "country club" than to the ride a train or trolley.
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