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Adam Lawrence

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American Contractors
« on: February 16, 2021, 05:22:37 PM »
A question that is probably of interest to a few of the historians on here. When did the first specialist US golf course contractors emerge? In the UK it was clearly Franks-Harris, founded 1914 and closely associated with Colt. But I have no idea re. America.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2021, 07:43:41 PM »
Howard Toomey associated with William Flynn


Flynn partnered with Howard Toomey just after World War I with Flynn the designer and Toomey handling the engineering side of the work. They started their own golf architectural firm, Toomey & Flynn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Flynn_(golfer)
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Niall C

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2021, 06:27:02 AM »
In the UK it was clearly Franks-Harris, founded 1914 and closely associated with Colt.

Adam

Sorry to digress from the main point of the thread but are you sure about Franks-Harris being the first specialists in 1914 ? Without checking notes I'd guess that before Franks-Harris you had Stutt from Paisley, or James MacDonald, or the first Hawtree before he became a designer in his own right, and of course not forgetting our pal Reg  ;). These guys might not have only built golf courses but I think you'd be struggling to say they weren't specialists.

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Kyle Harris

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2021, 07:30:06 AM »
Frank James and Francis Meehan in the United States.

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Anthony Gholz

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2021, 01:14:40 PM »
Adam: (I think you have this info)


Regarding Colt and his contractors in NA, I'll add W. J. Walton of the James Carter & Co of London.   Per the Detroit Free Press 3/19/1911 Walton came over from England with Colt on the same boat to build the first course for The Country Club of Detroit on his first trip to the country in 1911. The North American representative of Carter was Patterson Wylde & Co. of Boston, which was actually contracted with he construction of the course under Walton's supervision.  They also did some work at The CC at Brookline.


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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2021, 09:02:30 PM »
I don't have a lot of details, but Lewis & Valentine, Inc., of New York, were advertising as golf course construction specialists pre-1920. They moved into Canada about 1920, too, working in some form of partnership with Thompson, Cumming & Thompson -- the latter being Stanley.
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2021, 05:39:17 AM »
Adam: (I think you have this info)


Regarding Colt and his contractors in NA, I'll add W. J. Walton of the James Carter & Co of London.   Per the Detroit Free Press 3/19/1911 Walton came over from England with Colt on the same boat to build the first course for The Country Club of Detroit on his first trip to the country in 1911. The North American representative of Carter was Patterson Wylde & Co. of Boston, which was actually contracted with he construction of the course under Walton's supervision.  They also did some work at The CC at Brookline.



I've been trying to trace Walton but I can't find anything significant about him.
Adam Lawrence

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Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

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Brad Tufts

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2021, 09:13:15 AM »
I believe there was a contractor named "Miller" around Boston in the early teens.


As far as we know, they built our second 9 at Tedesco in 1912 to the design of Donald Ross.


I don't know much about them, or if they were specifically golf builders...my guess is not.
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2021, 10:26:17 AM »
William Tucker was one of the first designated build guys in the U.S.


Arthur Lockwood was probably another.


Both of these guys designed their own courses in addition to building the designs of others.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2021, 10:48:00 AM »
It was a lot less formal back in those days, perhaps because the industry wasn't big enough to support everybody.  Does it seem like most of those guys were associated with a gca most of the time?


When I got in the field, I was told that Wadsworth invented at least the modern version of contracting for golf course construction, where they were independent and bid work of any gca.  They also consolidated most work under one contract for the convenience of owners.  I always suspected that in earlier days, the contracts weren't as complicated or extensive.  But then, neither were the designs!


As often as not, owners brought in a road builder to move mass earth, a golf course builder for shaping and details (sometimes, often it may have been the super) a fledgling irrigation installer, and then a local farmer to sow the grass seed, managing the project themselves in many cases.


So, I am interested in any more detail on those early years our historians here can bring.  And, it seems like a research project for someone, perhaps funded by the Golf Course Builders of America.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2021, 12:04:37 PM »
Sean Tully would be a good resource. It seems to me that Watson often used a "contractor" in the Bay Area, and I recall them in our research for Berkeley CC. Berkeley CC had one of the first irrigation systems ever installed on a golf course. Contact Sean.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2021, 12:08:10 PM »
James Watson, no relation. I will send you the newspaper article.
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JC Urbina

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Re: American Contractors
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2021, 04:57:35 PM »
Adam,


Sean Tully and Josh Pettit can also update you on the son of Robert Hunter who owned a golf course construction business.  They are more versed on that info than I am.  I have read letters from Robert Hunter talking about building golf courses for Alister MacKenzie but I believe that Josh and Sean have both referred to Hunters son as the one who did a lot of golf course construction in the California area.


They can correct me if I am wrong.