Anglo-American club Quebec

[Ben Malach]

Our own Andrew Harvey has written this fine appeal for information on the Anglo-American. I am bumping it here to see if anyone can help.


 https://blog.torontogolfnuts.com/the-curious-case-of-quebecs-missing-a-w-tillinghast-golf-course/

[John_Cullum]

"Maybe the name changed?"
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My god I hope so. This is as problematic a name as could be.[/font]

[Matthew Rose]

Yeah, I can't imagine that would go over well.

[Ben Malach]

For those commenting on the name. It's a product of the times in Quebec. There would have been lots of loud and proud Quebecouis clubs with similar definitions in french. Also Quebec at the time was deeply catholic to the point where the church was the register of birth in most towns and communities. The clubs name is likely a reflection of that tension between the english speaking protestant minority and the catholic francophone majority. This tension between french and english is still alive and well in Quebec. In this context I don't think a minority group proclaiming a safe space has as much negativity as the previous to comments would like to ascribe to the name. Especially considering the acts of violence that some of the english speaking Canadians faced in the region over the course of history.

[Daryl David]

For those commenting on the name. It's a product of the times in Quebec. There would have been lots of loud and proud Quebecouis clubs with similar definitions in french. Also Quebec at the time was deeply catholic to the point where the church was the register of birth in most towns and communities. The clubs name is likely a reflection of that tension between the english speaking protestant minority and the catholic francophone majority. This tension between french and english is still alive and well in Quebec. In this context I don't think a minority group proclaiming a safe space has as much negativity as the previous to comments would like to ascribe to the name. Especially considering the acts of violence that some of the english speaking Canadians faced in the region over the course of history.

Exactly. I was about to post the same thing, but was afraid I’d be cancelled. 

[Philippe Binette]

Ben Malach:


I believe your perception of the "tension" between the french and english in Québec is exagerrated... There is a "difference in perception" and a cultural difference... but it's a peaceful and open cohabitation...


As for the name: Anglo-american, I think it's linked to a Mining Company that still exist today...  https://www.angloamerican.com/

[Jeff_Mingay]

Ben Malach:


I believe your perception of the "tension" between the french and english in Québec is exagerrated... There is a "difference in perception" and a cultural difference... but it's a peaceful and open cohabitation...

The Penguin (Philippe Binette) beat me to it.

[Ben Malach]

Philippe:


Thank you for clarifying. I trust you on all things Quebecouis. As it is your home and your culture.


 I would love to hear your thoughts on the best way to aquire more information on this club.

[Matt Kardash]

As another Québécois on this site I will also add that the word ''tension' is a bit strong to describe the current state of affairs between English and French Quebecers.
In our past there have been perhaps moments of tension, but today it is extremely peaceful. The English Quebecers who were not happy left a long time ago. In general the one's who remain are happy to live in a majortiy french-speaking province.


My wife is an American who has lived in Montreal with me for the pas 12 years. She learned some French, but it is limited. In 12 years she has never been made to feel bad about her level of French communication.

[Matthew Rose]

Quebec's language politics are and always have been fascinating to me outside of golf, so I'm curious about how it pertains to golf clubs.

In the US it is no secret that some clubs in the past could be exclusionary, and those who maybe felt outcast would go start their own clubs.

I guess it would make sense that Canada might have had "French" golf clubs and "English" golf clubs at one time, or at least ones perhaps with those foundations... and that it may not necessarily apply these days.

[Matt Kardash]

Quebec's language politics are and always have been fascinating to me outside of golf, so I'm curious about how it pertains to golf clubs.

In the US it is no secret that some clubs in the past could be exclusionary, and those who maybe felt outcast would go start their own clubs.

I guess it would make sense that Canada might have had "French" golf clubs and "English" golf clubs at one time, or at least ones perhaps with those foundations... and that it may not necessarily apply these days.

I haven't investigated this, but it seems to me that most of the old clubs in the Montreal area were mainly Anglophone, and also Jewish. In Quebec the Jewish community is historically English speaking. Not to stereotype, but in Montreal, if you look to the past, people with wealth were typically English speaking and often Jewish. So it comes as no surprise that they were well-represented in our golfing scene.

[Andrew Harvie]

Thanks for posting Ben. Anglo-American Club is such a weird situation to me. I'm not sure how a golf course disappears, but I'm pretty confident it once existed.

[Tyler Kearns]

As another Québécois on this site I will also add that the word ''tension' is a bit strong to describe the current state of affairs between English and French Quebecers.
In our past there have been perhaps moments of tension, but today it is extremely peaceful. The English Quebecers who were not happy left a long time ago. In general the one's who remain are happy to live in a majortiy french-speaking province.


My wife is an American who has lived in Montreal with me for the pas 12 years. She learned some French, but it is limited. In 12 years she has never been made to feel bad about her level of French communication.

Matt,


I've been to Montreal a few times and am fully bilingual (my kids 1st language is french), however, numerous times when speaking with staff at restaurants or stores, they immediately flipped to English after I spoke.  I'm sure they picked up my non-Quebecois accent, but I found it to be a little off-putting.


Tyler

[Philippe Binette]

The first club in Montreal and in Quebec City was led by the Scottish / English.


I doubt the French speaking people were formally discriminated from the older clubs, it was probably more a combinaison of lack of interest, lack of connections and lack of money to join a golf club.


In the Montreal area, Laval-sur-le-Lac was the first French-led club.
Elm Ridge, Hillsdale and Pinegrove are the main historically Jewish clubs.


The big golf boom for the Quebecois (french) came in the '50 and '60... since Maurice 'Rocket' Richard played golf, I guess


Our history is indeed fascinating... first off, the first 'Canadians' were the french-speaking people... Reports from the French from France were already noticing thatfrench people living in Quebec in the early 1700's had nothing to do with France...   


Being an history fan, you'd be amazed how big the 'french from Quebec' have played a crucial role in North America, including USA history. (Just ask Lewis and Clark !!!)

[Philippe Binette]

As for the Anglo-American Club,


this area is an unusual scar in the landscape... most is occupied by a gravel sand mine... but some clearings have a golf feel to it..


45.89398715847743, -73.93976866549147


just a guess

[Terry Lavin]

Love me some Québécois!

[Philippe Binette]

Maybe the sand and Gravel pit and area just east of Pine Croft, qc.
Unusual scar in the landscape