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Thomas Dai

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What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« on: February 08, 2021, 01:47:08 PM »
What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
Not decade or general period of time but specific year(s).
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PS - Apologies if this has been covered previously on another thread.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2021, 02:14:06 PM »
Two years come to mind: 1930 and Jones' slam and 2000-2001 for the Tiger slam. A close third is 1913 and Ouimet at TCC.
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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2021, 02:33:20 PM »
Thomas:
along the lines Tommy laid out, but with slightly more focus on the golf-gca axis:
1927: Jones wins at TOC
1958: Palmer wins at Augusta
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Jim Sherma

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2021, 02:37:08 PM »
I agree with 2000, but not because of Tiger, rather for the creation of the pro V-1. Could throw the years that the Gutty and Haskell came out as well. Nothing changes the game more than step changes in the balls.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2021, 05:00:07 PM »
Irish golf = 1960
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Thomas Dai

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2021, 05:08:48 PM »


1900 Harry Vardon tours the USA
1913 Francis Ouimet (as TW mentions above)
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2021, 05:44:02 PM »
I think in many ways 1848, when the gutty ball was introduced. Until then golf was a game played in a small number of towns in the east of Scotland. The greater affordability of the gutty was what started golf on the path to being a global game.
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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2021, 09:59:49 PM »
Heretic alert
2000
Tiger switched to solid core and dominates.
ProV1 soon follows.
Changes the professional game
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Thomas Dai

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2021, 06:34:56 AM »
Nominated years -

1848 Gutty ball
1900 Vardon tours the USA
1901 Haskell ball
1913 Ouimet defeats Vardon and Ray
1927 Jones wins at TOC
1930 Jones wins Grand Slam
1958 Palmer wins the Masters
1960 Irish golf
2000/1 ProV1 and the Tiger Slam

So what else was going on in the World during these years?

These details are per a quick scan of Wiki. There will no doubt likely be other important events that I've missed, especially those that may have occurred in less well publicised parts of the globe.

1848
Gutty golf ball
World population est 1.2 billion
Revolutions in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary etc

1900
Vardon tours the USA
World pop 1.6b
Boar War in SA
Boxer Rebellion in China
Paris Olympics (2nd)
American-Philippine war

1901
Haskell ball
World pop 1.6b
Boxer Rebellion ends
American-Philippine war
Queen Victoria dies
President McKinley assassinated

1913
Ouimet wins US Open
Mexican revolution
Emily Davidson, UK suffragette dies
Moving assembly line at Ford, MI car factory

1927
Jones wins at TOC
World pop 2.0b
US invades Nicaragua
Lindbergh flies the Atlantic

1930
Jones wins the Grand Slam
World pop 2.1b
Mickie Mouse first published
Amy Johnson solo UK-Australia flight
1st World Cup soccer
German election (Nazi party finish 2nd)

1958
Palmer wins the Masters
World pop 2.9b
Khrushchev becomes Russian leader
Cuban Revolution

1960
Irish golf
World pop 3.0b
US troops to Vietnam
9.4-9.6 earthquake in Chile
1st episode of the Flintstones (yabba, dabba, doo!)
JFK elected US President

2000/1
ProV1 & Tiger Slam
World pop 6.1b

2021
Golf tba/?
World pop 7.9b
Global Covid-19 pandemic continues.

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Ira Fishman

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2021, 07:52:59 AM »
1821–Old Tom is born.


1979–Ryder Cup expanded to include Europeans.
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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2021, 09:27:56 AM »
1911-1912




The first American-born golfer wins back-to-back U.S. Opens.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2021, 09:36:08 AM »
Easy: Sometime in the spring of 1520 when it was finally decided that hitting small balls into holes dug into the ice was absolutely less entertaining than the similar pastime of hitting them on solid ground, into holes dug into swards of grass.
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Michael Wolf

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2021, 09:45:20 AM »
In America, the 5 years from 1895 to 1900. Macdonald laid out his 18 hole course in Wheaton in 1895. Just five years later there were 982 courses in 45 states.


In Australia the visit of MacKenzie in 1926.


But my #1 nomination would be the 4 days of October 24th-27th, 1957. No single event may have brought more new golfers to the game. But even on this illustrious board, I'd bet less than 50% will know what I'm talking about?!?


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Michael Wolf

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2021, 09:54:05 AM »
Quote from: Michael Wolf on February 09, 2021, 09:45:20 AM
In America, the 5 years from 1895 to 1900. Macdonald laid out his 18 hole course in Wheaton in 1895. Just five years later there were 982 courses in 45 states.


In Australia the visit of MacKenzie in 1926.


But my #1 nomination would be the 4 days of October 24th-27th, 1957. No single event may have brought more new golfers to the game. But even on this illustrious board, I'd bet less than 50% will know what I'm talking about?!?


Michael




The answer is 1957 was the year Torakichi Nakamura and Koichi Ono won the world team title by 9! strokes on their home soil of Kasumigaseki Country Club. Their upset win resonated with a population just coming out of the allied oversight following WW2. And it propelled Japanese golf to a level of popularity where they still have more golf courses today than any other country except the United States. It's amazing to me how under the radar the Japanese love of golf remains among westerners.


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Garland Bayley

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2021, 12:27:17 AM »
Quote from: Ira Fishman on February 09, 2021, 07:52:59 AM
1821–Old Tom is born.


1979–Ryder Cup expanded to include Europeans.

Actually, the year OTM returned to St. Andrews. Without OTM you don't have MacDonald, Ross, et. al.
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Paul Rudovsky

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2021, 01:34:33 AM »
1912---The year of birth for Hogan, Snead, and Nelson...who combined to dominate the game from about 1937 through 1955.
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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2021, 07:43:10 AM »
Quote from: Tommy Williamsen on February 08, 2021, 02:14:06 PM
Two years come to mind: 1930 and Jones' slam and 2000-2001 for the Tiger slam. A close third is 1913 and Ouimet at TCC.
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Chuck Glowacki

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2021, 07:56:32 AM »
1964, the year I first played 😎
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2021, 07:59:16 AM »
Quote from: Ally Mcintosh on February 08, 2021, 05:00:07 PM
Irish golf = 1960




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Amazed there's no support for 1860 and the first Open Championship?  Must have led to more growth than any other event/year?
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Jim Sherma

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2021, 11:12:08 AM »

I'd disagree with this, or any general commentary about the pro game and championships in this context. For all the tournaments that these three won, if they were not there others would have won them without much else changing other than whom the resulting popular mythos were built around. If you want to focus in on the impact of tournament results than a better case can be made for Ouimet or the Japanese twosome based on the cultural impact.

Quote from: Paul Rudovsky on February 10, 2021, 01:34:33 AM
1912---The year of birth for Hogan, Snead, and Nelson...who combined to dominate the game from about 1937 through 1955.
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V. Kmetz

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2021, 07:29:27 PM »
I can't speak to anything too far in the 19th century or for the UK antiquity, but for American golf:


1894 - all of the scattered pre-history comes together in the germination of a national body and a sanctioned national tournament.
1916 - Jones debuts at Merion, PGA is formed- 1st PGA is played; First Era in GCA about to yield to Golden Age.
1931 - Jones first year in retirement, making films, purchases Fruitlands, steel shafts win the US Open, Golden Age course building ends markedly in the throes of the Depression.
1951 - RTJ first year as "Monster" Open Doctor at Oakland Hills, framing Hogan's amazing return and consecutive victories. Oilman R.J. Jackson receives patent and starts manufacture of first dedicated electric golf cart - "The Arthritis Special."
1962 - IMG's Big Three win all 4 pro majors, Palmer on consecutive Opens, completing the re-elevation of the tournament; Nicklaus 1st and Player's 2nd.  Golf is led by TV and player image forever since; following on, a new era of course building roars.


I've got to think about the the last 60 years before continuing...

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2021, 07:55:55 PM »
Hopefully 2020 proves the kick point from which golf carries its surge (resurgence) in popularity. The ideas and opportunity are there.
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Cristian

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2021, 07:17:48 AM »
Quote from: Thomas Dai on February 09, 2021, 06:34:56 AM
Nominated years -

1848 Gutty ball
1900 Vardon tours the USA
1901 Haskell ball
1913 Ouimet defeats Vardon and Ray
1927 Jones wins at TOC
1930 Jones wins Grand Slam
1958 Palmer wins the Masters
1960 Irish golf
2000/1 ProV1 and the Tiger Slam

So what else was going on in the World during these years?

These details are per a quick scan of Wiki. There will no doubt likely be other important events that I've missed, especially those that may have occurred in less well publicised parts of the globe.

1848
Gutty golf ball
World population est 1.2 billion
Revolutions in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary etc

1900
Vardon tours the USA
World pop 1.6b
Boar War in SA
Boxer Rebellion in China
Paris Olympics (2nd)
American-Philippine war

1901
Haskell ball
World pop 1.6b
Boxer Rebellion ends
American-Philippine war
Queen Victoria dies
President McKinley assassinated

1913
Ouimet wins US Open
Mexican revolution
Emily Davidson, UK suffragette dies
Moving assembly line at Ford, MI car factory

1927
Jones wins at TOC
World pop 2.0b
US invades Nicaragua
Lindbergh flies the Atlantic

1930
Jones wins the Grand Slam
World pop 2.1b
Mickie Mouse first published
Amy Johnson solo UK-Australia flight
1st World Cup soccer
German election (Nazi party finish 2nd)

1958
Palmer wins the Masters
World pop 2.9b
Khrushchev becomes Russian leader
Cuban Revolution

1960
Irish golf
World pop 3.0b
US troops to Vietnam
9.4-9.6 earthquake in Chile
1st episode of the Flintstones (yabba, dabba, doo!)
JFK elected US President

2000/1
ProV1 & Tiger Slam
World pop 6.1b

2021
Golf tba/?
World pop 7.9b
Global Covid-19 pandemic continues.

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+ 1929: RandA legalises steel shafts
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Matthew Mollica

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2021, 02:47:45 AM »
1925-1935


Jones and MacKenzie meet
Royal Melbourne designed and built
Transition from hickory to steel
Arnold Palmer born
Cypress Point opens
Jones wins Grand Slam
Peter Thomson born
Augusta National built


And


Crystal Downs designed, thereby influencing Tom Doak decades later

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Re: What would be the most important year(s) in the history of golf?
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2021, 11:30:42 PM »
I'd say 2021-2030
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