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Adam G

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New 2022 PGA Venue
« on: January 10, 2021, 07:09:11 PM »
It seems based on reporting from Eamon Lynch and Geoff Shackelford that the 2022 PGA will not happen at Trump Bedminster as a result of recent events.


That begs the question: What are your "dream venues" (that could actually host it...no Myopia Hunt or Sand Hills)?


I think the realistic options are Baltusrol (supposed to be 2029), Southern Hills (supposed to be 2030), Congressional (Supposed to be 2031), Inverness, or Oakland Hills (I realize these are all recent Hanse or Green renovations...). Riviera could be fun too but seems less likely. Any other ideas?
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Rob Marshall

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2021, 08:00:12 PM »
I’ve only played the Blue but could they field a PGA at Streamsong? With the move to May I thought the were going to look for more southern venues.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2021, 08:12:30 PM »
I’d suspect Southern Hills, although it might be nice if Harding Park got to try again with fans and whatnot. PGA friend suggests moving Valhalla from ‘24 to ‘22 and then finding a site for ‘24, maybe Frisco by then?

Adam G

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2021, 08:27:30 PM »
Shipnuck just tweeted that Southern Hills and Liberty National are top contenders and Shoal Creek is making a push. Baltusrol was asked and declined.

Please not Liberty National...

Bill Brightly

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2021, 08:29:47 PM »
I bet Whistling Straights could take it with short notice.

Edward Glidewell

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2021, 10:03:07 PM »
I’ve only played the Blue but could they field a PGA at Streamsong? With the move to May I thought the were going to look for more southern venues.


I highly doubt it. There's no easy way to get fans to and from the resort other than long shuttle rides from somewhere around Tampa.

mike_beene

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2021, 10:37:16 PM »
May at Memorial Park would work.

Tom_Doak

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2021, 10:57:42 PM »
They'll go wherever they think they can make the most money.

Pat Burke

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2021, 12:33:38 AM »
They'll go wherever they think they can make the most money.


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Tim Leahy

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2021, 01:49:50 AM »
What about Pine Valley?  It's in NJ and a great course. Just looked at the scorecard and it's over 7000 from the back. The world should see this course.
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Matthew Rose

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2021, 04:55:59 AM »
Actually as long as there are no crowds maybe they should play something at PV.
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Rob Marshall

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2021, 07:39:46 AM »
Actually as long as there are no crowds maybe they should play something at PV.


If there are no crowds for the 22 PGA will will have bigger problems than what golf course to play on.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

MCirba

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2021, 07:57:05 AM »
Why not Baltusrol?
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Chris Wegner

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2021, 09:17:09 AM »
While an understandable decision, a sad day for the great golf staff at Trump Bedminster. I would hope they could find a venue in the NJ/Philly area. Mountain Ridge? They get a trial run on the logistics when they host a LPGA event in 2021.

Jeff Schley

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2021, 09:17:35 AM »
Actually as long as there are no crowds maybe they should play something at PV.


If there are no crowds for the 22 PGA will will have bigger problems than what golf course to play on.


Agreed Rob
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MCirba

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2021, 09:31:32 AM »
I hear that Southern Hills and Liberty National are both under consideration.   
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Bruce Katona

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2021, 09:34:09 AM »
Liberty National - ehh


If there are no or limited crowds permitted (separate issue) and a NJ venue  Bayonne GC would work well.......

Tim Martin

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2021, 09:41:07 AM »
While an understandable decision, a sad day for the great golf staff at Trump Bedminster. I would hope they could find a venue in the NJ/Philly area. Mountain Ridge? They get a trial run on the logistics when they host a LPGA event in 2021.


While the staff might be great it’s a service model that requires $$$ in tips to get to the first tee. There is nobody that doesn’t get greased on your way in or out. I say this as someone who is completely comfortable with and used to cash tips as a service model. My pal asked me if he should hit the mailman with $20 who happened to be by the valet area? I told him that even though Christmas was six months away it would be a nice tribute. :)
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Mike_Trenham

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2021, 09:54:04 AM »
I hear that Southern Hills and Liberty National are both under consideration.


Liberty National feels undersized for the revenue requirements of a men’s major for any association.


Batusrol seems like a good fit to honor any existing local sponsor commitments.  However the members there are enduring reduced availability of their golf courses due to restoration work the past few seasons, so adding 2021 PGA might be a tough sell right now.


Others worth consideration


Saucon Valley
Atlanta Athletic Club
Baltimore CC
Kinloch
Congressional
Whisper Rock
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Tom_Doak

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2021, 10:07:52 AM »

Liberty National feels undersized for the revenue requirements of a men’s major for any association.



Ha, that's like saying Kohler is undersized.  The amount of cash in the owner's bank account can be part of the equation.

JESII

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2021, 10:17:32 AM »
I expect Philadelphia Cricket to throw their hat in the ring. Hosted the PGA National Club Pro Championship a few years ago and the Sr Players.


Plenty of options really, so I'm guessing cash will play more than a small role...

Joel_Stewart

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2021, 10:33:53 AM »
They'll go wherever they think they can make the most money.


The PGA is going to use the Ryder Cup model and take the highest offer.  Liberty National with Paul Fireman's checkbook would be the favorite.


The PGA is probably seeing this as a windfall but I suspect that Trump will sue the PGA so some type of settlement would cost the PGA a few million.

Don Mahaffey

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2021, 10:55:01 AM »
May at Memorial Park would work.


While I believe MPGC has shown it can hold up to the worlds best, and its a big venue with infrastructure in place...if the PGA ever comes to TX I believe it will be at the new courses in Frisco which the PGA owns (or is a partner in some manner).

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2021, 11:04:18 AM »
They'll go wherever they think they can make the most money.


The PGA is going to use the Ryder Cup model and take the highest offer.  Liberty National with Paul Fireman's checkbook would be the favorite.


The PGA is probably seeing this as a windfall but I suspect that Trump will sue the PGA so some type of settlement would cost the PGA a few million.


I think (actually hope) that Trump will have plenty of other more pressing legal issues to fight other than this.


I would imagine that the contract had a clause that allowed the PGA "an out" for situations like...well...the owner of the club inciting an insurrection that led to 1) violence 2) murder 3) domestic terrorism.


Kinda bad for the brand...;p-)

Tim Martin

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Re: New 2022 PGA Venue
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2021, 11:13:58 AM »
The R&A just shut the door on Trump as well.

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